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mariadigner
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30 days ago
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Crashes even with ALL troubleshooting done

Hi everyone! I’m experiencing persistent silent crashes in The Sims 4 on PC and and I’m trying to understand if others are experiencing the same issue. 

My system is fully updated and relatively new: Windows 11, Ryzen 5 8500G with Radeon 740M (integrated graphics), 32GB DDR5 RAM (2x16 dual-channel), 1TB NVMe SSD, EA App. The game crashes straight to desktop with no error message or LastException. This happens with and without mods/CC, in both DX11 and forced DX9, even in brand new saves. I've already completed all standard troubleshooting steps multiple times. Crashes still happen. Based on all this, it doesn’t seem like a hardware fault or something misconfigured on my end. It feels more like a compatibility or engine-level issue involving Windows 11 and AMD integrated graphics. (?) 

If this is actually a compatibility problem with AMD, does anyone know which driver version is more stable with sims4 and if thats not the issue what can it be? I’m currently using driver version 25.12.1 

Any insights would be really appreciated. Thanks!!

  • mariadigner​  That's quite a lot of crashes and definitely suggests a broader system issue.  Sims 4 should never cause any of these except the first one, and then not an error with ntdll.dll, which is such a fundamental part of Windows that if it were completely corrupt, your computer probably wouldn't turn on.  It's much more likely that something is calling ntdll.dll incorrectly, but still, that shouldn't happen either.

    A BIOS update is a great next step since an issue at that level can cause all kinds of weird system issues.  If that alone doesn't help, I would run a repair install of Windows (this doesn't delete your data, don't worry), and then Driver Verifier would be the step after that.  Here's how to run a repair install:

    https://www.elevenforum.com/t/repair-install-windows-11-with-an-in-place-upgrade.418/

    If you get to step 14 and are NOT asked to keep personal files and apps, back out and start over.

    You can find info about Driver Verifier and a download link here:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/driver-verifier

    Choose the option to "automatically select all drivers," and let it do its thing.

    The idea here is to give you as clean a setup as you can get short of wiping the system.  I don't know that you'll need all these steps; this is just the progression of troubleshooting, from the motherboard software to the OS to critical drivers.

    I would skip the suggestion to increase the RAM allocation to the iGPU though.  The iGPU already has the ability to borrow more memory as necessary, up to 16 GB according to your dxdiag.  The allocation is just what's reserved, as in, the rest of the system can't use it at all.  With 32 GB physical memory overall, there shouldn't be any real competition for resources.

    I would be happy to take a look at your crash dumps, but I'd rather you at least update the BIOS and run a repair install, then provide new files.  If this were a question of one error, it might be a lot simpler to fix, but given the variety, I would probably end up suggesting all of the above even with the crash dump info.

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  • mariadigner​  Thanks for the dxdiag, but it's full of BlueScreens, to the point where that's the only error listed.  This is the BSOD type if you're curious:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0xf7--driver-overran-stack-buffer

    Would you like to address this first?  Despite the text of the article, this isn't necessarily about malware; the point is that malware can look like this, so any driver behaving badly in precisely this way is suspect, according to Windows.

    To find out which driver is the culprit, you'd need to find more info, probably by analyzing a crash dump.  I can do that for you, if you'd like.  Open C:\Windows\Minidump, copy the most recent three files to the desktop, zip them together, upload the .zip to a third-party filesharing site, and either link it here or send me the link via PM.

    For the Sims 4 issue, I'd need to know what kind of crash you're getting.  Let the game crash again, then look for new errors in the Reliability Monitor.  Click Windows key-R and enter "perfmon /rel" without quotes, and you'll see a chart of errors and updates with a column for each day.  Today is on the right.

    Look for an error that happened at exactly the time of your most recent Sims 4 crash.  If you find one, double-click it to see more details, then copy that info and paste it into a reply here.  If you don't see a new error, check back in an hour or so—the Reliability Monitor doesn't always update right away.

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    mariadigner
    Rising Novice
    30 days ago

    Thank you for taking the time to dig into this and actually help, I really appreciate it.

    Quick update: last night I rolled back the GPU driver to version 25.10.2, and since then I haven’t had any Blue Screens at all. That said, The Sims 4 is still crashing.

    I’ve attached my Reliability Monitor, which shows the most recent Sims crash.

    Also the most recent minidump files = https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x6jSa1qytRN9PUq9qGVJXZ8nny1EVRT6/view?usp=sharing          — these are from before the driver version change, but I figured they might still be worth looking at.

    I’m also attaching the LastCrash.txt file and a new dxdiag, just in case they help.

    Let me know if there’s anything else you’d like me to check or test.

  • mariadigner​  The Reliability Monitor report lists amdxx64.dll as the faulting module, and that's a component of the AMD graphics driver.  Did you roll back the "normal" way, or did you do a clean uninstall of the newer driver before reinstalling the old one?  That would be the next step here.

    https://crinrict.com/blog/2019/02/clean-re-install-of-graphics-drivers-with-display-driver-uninstaller-ddu.html

    You can get a few different older drivers here, although skip any "optional" (not WHQL) versions:

    https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/previous-drivers.html/processors/ryzen/ryzen-8000-series/amd-ryzen-5-8500g.html

    I will take a look at the minidump files when I'm in front of a Windows computer again, likely later tonight.

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    mariadigner
    Rising Novice
    29 days ago

    puzzlezaddict​ hii

    The first time I rolled back the driver, I actually did a clean uninstall using DDU, and then installed the 25.10.2 AMD version. But the Device Manager showed the driver with Microsoft-style numbering, even with the AMD Adrenalin software still opening normally and showing the exact version I had installed. Just in case, I later reinstalled again the “normal” way through Windows/Adrenalin because I thought I might have forgotten to disable automatic driver updates before, and I wanted to make sure Windows wasn’t interfering. But it still appears as the driver provider "Advance Micro Devices Inc" and on the AMD the actual driver I installed, so I’m not completely sure whether Windows actually replaced the driver, or if it was just the way it’s displayed in Device Manager.

    Given that, would you still recommend running DDU again and reinstalling a different WHQL version from the previous drivers page?

    Thanks again for your help!!!

  • mariadigner​  Given where you are in the process, I would definitely suggest running DDU again and trying a slightly older driver.  It's easy enough to update.  I also wouldn't worry about the version mismatch.  If you look at the AMD driver release notes, you'll see something like "this will install driver version 32.xxx.xx.xxxx" , which is the version you see in a dxdiag.  I don't know why AMD has its own special version numbers, but that's just how things are set up.

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    mariadigner
    Rising Novice
    25 days ago

    Hi! puzzlezaddict​ 

    I understand this probably goes beyond a pure Ts4 issue at this point, so I don’t want to throw unrelated stuff at you, but since your advice has been the most helpful so far, I’d really appreciate your opinion.

    Quick update:

    I used DDU and installed driver 25.8.1. I played for about an hour and got a silent crash. Then I switched the game to DX9, and it ran fine without mods. After that, I added some build CC, played for around 30 minutes, and the game froze and went to a black screen, which also froze, so I had to turn it off manually.

    In Reliability Monitor I’m seeing: 

    • BEX64 crash (c0000005) in TS4_x64.exe pointing to ntdll.dll.
    • LiveKernelEvent – Code a1000005
    • Dump file named AMD_WATCHDOG-xxxx.dmp
    • BlueScreen – Code 133 (DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION)

    Also here is the link to a new generated minidump:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kF_hLMDx44oO_15HG17DX5w-EXeJjxmY/view?usp=sharing

    I’ve been troubleshooting step by step with chatgpt, and it suggested I increase the iGPU (Radeon 740M) memory allocation in the BIOS to 2GB (it’s currently 1GB reserved for hardware). The idea is that this might help if the crashes are related to iGPU VRAM saturation under load. Updating the BIOS was also suggested if that doesn't work (I’m currently on version 3.30).

    What do you think? 😣

     

  • mariadigner​  That's quite a lot of crashes and definitely suggests a broader system issue.  Sims 4 should never cause any of these except the first one, and then not an error with ntdll.dll, which is such a fundamental part of Windows that if it were completely corrupt, your computer probably wouldn't turn on.  It's much more likely that something is calling ntdll.dll incorrectly, but still, that shouldn't happen either.

    A BIOS update is a great next step since an issue at that level can cause all kinds of weird system issues.  If that alone doesn't help, I would run a repair install of Windows (this doesn't delete your data, don't worry), and then Driver Verifier would be the step after that.  Here's how to run a repair install:

    https://www.elevenforum.com/t/repair-install-windows-11-with-an-in-place-upgrade.418/

    If you get to step 14 and are NOT asked to keep personal files and apps, back out and start over.

    You can find info about Driver Verifier and a download link here:

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/driver-verifier

    Choose the option to "automatically select all drivers," and let it do its thing.

    The idea here is to give you as clean a setup as you can get short of wiping the system.  I don't know that you'll need all these steps; this is just the progression of troubleshooting, from the motherboard software to the OS to critical drivers.

    I would skip the suggestion to increase the RAM allocation to the iGPU though.  The iGPU already has the ability to borrow more memory as necessary, up to 16 GB according to your dxdiag.  The allocation is just what's reserved, as in, the rest of the system can't use it at all.  With 32 GB physical memory overall, there shouldn't be any real competition for resources.

    I would be happy to take a look at your crash dumps, but I'd rather you at least update the BIOS and run a repair install, then provide new files.  If this were a question of one error, it might be a lot simpler to fix, but given the variety, I would probably end up suggesting all of the above even with the crash dump info.