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Re: [FIXED] Problems playing Sims 4 on the 16" MacBook Pro

Product: The Sims 4
Platform:Mac
Which language are you playing the game in? English
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
What is your current game version number? The most recent
What expansions, game packs, and stuff packs do you have installed? Most of them
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? It sounds like you probably can't without buying a MBP 16 inch
What happens when the bug occurs? It started with the floor disappearing (adding floor tiles creates an empty void), then black triangles appeared from the centre of the screen, there were flickering black lines across the screen at one point, black triangles appear increasingly depending on the angle a lot is being viewed from, black shapes began appearing in map view too. Now, I can't even load a lot without the game immediately crashing. I can't even access lots to get the error again now. I've included a number of images (sorry that some are low res - I took those photos from my phone).
What do you expect to see? A solution
Have you installed any customization with the game, e.g. Custom Content or Mods? Not now. I've removed them.
Did this issue appear after a specific patch or change you made to your system? No

Specifications:

macOS Big Sur version 11.2.3

MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019)

Processor 2.6 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7

Memory 16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4

Graphics AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB

***I've attached an image with the specs for the graphic cards

 

I am playing the normal version, not the legacy version. I'm not running any antivirus. I elevate my laptop while playing so it stays cool and I've never had ANY issues playing for long periods of time. The computer never overheats. I did not update/download anything when the error initially occurred, either on the Sims or my system. It began after I fiddled with the graphic settings in game (lighting and edge smoothing). I always run the game on low/medium graphic settings and I have never had a problem. Even with so many packs and with custom content, the game still played at 150-180 FPS. It has been the smoothest simming experience I have ever had on any of the games. All of a sudden tonight, after changing the graphic settings (for not even five minutes before changing them back because the frame rate dropped from 180 to 40) the game has gone crazy and is now unplayable. 

 

I've taken the following steps to rectify the problem and everything has been unsuccessful:

  • Restarted computer
  • Repaired game
  • Removed all CC, save files, options file
  • Moved The Sims 4 folder to desktop
  • Completely uninstalled and reinstalled every pack (which took almost 3 hours)
  • Disabled origin in game
  • Disabled iDrive in System Preferences 
  • Tried a variety of different graphic settings (all options on lowest, disabled retina display, enabled vertical sync, enabled PC mode and windowed mode, tried different resolutions etc.)
  • Download gfxCardStatus and set to 'discrete only'
  • Reset NVRAM

Edit - also tried:

  • Started computer in diagnostic mode to see if there were any errors it could find. There were not.
  • Removed all Sims and Origin content from my laptop and reinstalled just base game - problem still persisted 
  • Called Apple customer support to troubleshoot - they confirmed that graphics card is in full working order

I'm really frustrated about this. I've been sitting at my laptop for the last EIGHT hours straight, trying proposed solutions I found online and reading as much research as I could. Nothing has helped. I only bought this laptop last year and since it's new there's virtually nothing on it except the Sims. I always run the Sims while all other programs are closed, I elevate it so there's air circulation, and I have NEVER had issues playing. I get great frame rate (150-180) with all my packs and mods installed. I've spent a lot of money on this game (and on this computer) and it doesn't make any sense to me that it can go from perfect functionality to unplayable in the space of 5 minutes with seemingly no solutions that actually works to fix it. I even wondered whether my graphics card had somehow been burnt out (I don't know how this sort of thing works or if this is possible) so I downloaded PlanetCoaster from Steam and put all the graphics up as high as they would go and it worked without any problems. If there was permanent damage to my graphics card (which shouldn't be possible after 5 minutes on higher settings with no excessive heat or fans going) then surely the other game should have been impacted to. It seems to be a problem exclusive to the Sims. 

 

I'm really hoping someone can help because I'm at my wits end and don't know what to do. I can't afford to buy another laptop when I've just bought this one and I'm going to be devastated if I can't play the Sims, especially after all the packs I've bought recently and haven't had a chance to actually play through yet. I know that other people have had endless issues with 16 inch MBP and the Sims, but I haven't had any issues. Like I said, everything has run incredibly smoothly. If it wasn't running so well, I wouldn't have kept adding new packs and CC. It just makes no sense to me that the game could go from that quality of functionality to seemingly irreversibly unplayable in the space of minutes. And given how many people seem to be impacted by similar issues, this is clearly something that needs to be addressed. 

 

Please, please help! I don't know what to do. 

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  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @drhe177

    I've merged your bug report into this ongoing master thread on the issue with 16" MacBook Pros. There is nothing you can do at this point, looks like you've tried everything from the opening post and the workaround solution (which does work for some and is the best workaround so far). As you can see there still isn't a fix unfortunately ☹️
  • drhe177's avatar
    drhe177
    5 years ago

    If there are no known fixes, then what other channels do I have to seek resolution for this issue? I've looked around online and I can't find any way to communicate directly with EA about this. Is anyone able to advise me?

    I've spent a lot of money on this game and it is now unusable. I have above the minimum specs EA claims are needed and if their product is not useable with the specs they have communicated, then they have misrepresented the quality and reliability of their game. How can I get in touch with them directly so that they will tell me what they're doing to address this issue or refund the money I've spent on a now defunct game? If there is an issue that renders the game inoperable, they should be taking responsibility for it themselves rather than shifting accountability to players and expecting them to find solutions for each other.

    What official support services (with EA spokespeople) are actually available? All I could find in my search was that I could email them about the issue, but it also said that this was a one-way communication and there wouldn't be a response. What do I have to do to open up communication directly with EA about this?

    Thank you for your help. Any advice is appreciated. 

  • Further to this, I've just spent the last 45 minutes on the phone with Apple support. I was concerned that I'd somehow damaged my graphics card and that was causing the issues, but they did a bunch of troubleshooting with me and confirmed that my graphics card is functioning properly and hasn't been damaged. This is consistent with the fact that I was able to run high graphics on PlanetCoaster when I loaded it. The problem is definitely with The Sims, not with my laptop, so EA needs to address this. 

  • I'm pretty sure that the problem is with the MBP. I've spent hours on the phone with Apple support. I've collected timestamps of when the problem (not an EA game, but same problems) happened and sent logs to Apple a couple times already. The developers said to replace my logic board even though it had been replaced twice already. I don't think they wanted to pursue software or hardware bugs. Same problems after the third logic board replacement.

    It's a problem with Apple's Metal API. I now run a Parallels VM booted up with the Apple Metal API disabled. There are no problems when playing using the VM.

  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @drhe177

    How about live chat - https://help.ea.com

    Although I'm not really sure what you are hoping customer support can do about this issue. I guess you could ask for a refund although I wouldn't expect one.

    Have you uninstalled City Living to see whether that makes the game playable?
  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @pcjr_ea

    What other games and apps is this also happening in?

    Do you think it's a general problem with Metal? Or just the Metal drivers and the specific GPUs in these 16" MacBook Pros? Because this is only being reported on the 16" MBPs at this level.

    Parallels uses it's own drivers and you're running Windows. Out of interest, what is showing in the 10 or so lines in the Config.log file under Graphics Device Info? And how has it rated your hardware near the top under Rating Info?
  • drhe177's avatar
    drhe177
    5 years ago

    I've uninstalled everything and just installed base game, but I'm still having the same issue. The game seems to be permanently broken. Because the graphic levels are so low, I get really good frame rates but the game is unplayable because there are still huge black shapes in the middle of lots and floors missing. With just base game installed, I can load lots temporarily, but going into build mode or trying to save crashes the game. With the other packs installed, it crashes as soon as a lot is opened. 

    Thanks for the link, but I'm struggling to find live chat support. I've only been able to find a way to message them (but yesterday I saw something that said you can report a bug but you won't get a response). Is live chat only available in certain locations or am I just missing something? 

    All the Apple troubleshooting revealed no issues with the graphics card and my system, and I've been able to play another game with very high graphic settings, so it seems to be an issue exclusively with the Sims. I can see that these issues are only affecting people with the 16" MBP, but if the laptop has the minimum specs provided by EA, then they should be finding a solution to make sure the game is compatible with the technology. Otherwise, they should advertise that the game is not suitable for people with certain laptops and we could save our money by not buying the games in the first place. 

  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @drhe177

    Change your location to US or UK and you should get the chat option although it may be dependant on availability. I don't believe this is an issue with the actual Macs or Metal drivers either but an issue with the Sims 4 on these specific models and their GPUs.
  • pcjr_ea's avatar
    pcjr_ea
    5 years ago

    @Bluebellflora 

    The only game/app this this happens for me is Magic Arena. However, its the only thing that I run that really taxes the MBP. Lightroom has little impact. Nothing else I use it for makes the fans run high. I wish I had time to try other games. I got this way over-powered MBP so that I could run Parallels. At the time, there wasn't a native Mac app for Arena.

    I think its a combination of this specific hardware and Metal. The backup MBP I use when mine's in for repair is 4 years older and doesn't have any problems.

    I'll need help answering your Parallels questions. I can't find a Config.log file nor Rating Info.

  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @pcjr_ea

    No other line of Mac models have these specific issues, they are unique to The Sims 4 on these 16" Macs with 5300M and 5500M GPUs. Has anyone posted an issue with the 5600M? There's nothing Apple can do as it's an issue on the Sims 4 side that EA should address. What are the Mac minimum system requirements for Magic Arena? Does it say it must be a Mac that supports Metal?

    The Config.log file is in the Sims 4 folder where your saves etc. are. You can attach it to a post here.
  • pcjr_ea's avatar
    pcjr_ea
    5 years ago

    @Bluebellflora 

    I'm not sure what you mean by "they are unique to The Sims 4 on these 16" Macs". I think I get the same symptoms as you running Arena as either a native Mac OS app or within a Parallels Windows VM.

    Mac systems requirements for Magic Arena:

    OS: macOS X/10 (64-bit Intel)
    Processor: Intel Core i5
    Memory: 4 GB
    Graphics: 1024MB
    VRAM Resolution: 1280 x 720 minimum display resolution

    They are relatively low. I have a  2.4 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9 and 64GB RAM. This game is also supported on Android.

    In Magic Arena forums, I see 16" MBP users complaining about the same issues. I've done a bit of searching for this problem with Magic Arena and I find quite a few hits. This person has had the problem with both the native app and Parallels (I sent them a message with the parallels work around).

  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @pcjr_ea

    No other Mac model displays the issues in the Sims 4 that these 16” MBPs do. It doesn’t happen on any 15”, 13”, any iMacs or Mac mini. There is clearly an issue with these specific model Macs and the Sims 4. You’re also saying it happens with another game, Magic Arena. So maybe there is some common factor between the two games?

    Does Magic Arena ONLY work on Metal supported Macs? Or is it OpenGL compatible too? How does it play on any other model Mac?

    You keep comparing your issues with the game running in Parallels but this just isn’t a relevant comparison because the game is running in Windows via a VM. It is not running the Metal API natively, is loading Parallels drivers, and running in a different OS. This is why I have asked for your Config.log file, to compare with the game running natively in macOS.
  • pcjr_ea's avatar
    pcjr_ea
    5 years ago

    @Bluebellflora 

    Definitely some common factor between the two games.

    If Parallels Windows tries to use the Metal API with Magic Arena, it crashes the GPU and usually the VM, but also sometimes the entire system. If the Metal API is disabled in the VM there are no problems at all. What conclusions would you draw from this?

    I have never played SIMS, sorry if I somehow left you with the impression that I did. This forum is the best one I've found that discusses this issue with the MBP. I just wanted to offer information that its not just SIMS that causes the MBP to fail.

    I am working a lot with Apple support to try to get a software/firmware fix for this. At their request, I've sent them Capture Data logfiles multiple times along with timestamps for when the problem happened. So far, they have only responded by replacing my logic board. Its been replaced three times now. I'll be spending more time on the phone with them again tomorrow.

  • Bluebellflora's avatar
    Bluebellflora
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    5 years ago
    @pcjr_ea

    Apple often replace logic boards when the immediate issue isn't apparent. That you've had 3 now is a pretty good indicator that there is not an issue with the Mac but the game and how it's utilising the hardware.

    I'm happy you've found this thread helpful 🙂
  • drhe177's avatar
    drhe177
    5 years ago
    @Bluebellflora I tried doing that, but it didn't work. I got an error message saying that I needed to download Legacy and I tried to install it from Origin, but my regular game keeps overriding it or something. It's not working. I tried a few other instructions I found online but couldn't get Legacy to install properly.