Re: Input based matchmaking and permanent xim bans

@full951 I'm sorry but paragraph 3 is just incorrect. Season 6 (September) launched the input based matchmaking and you were able to que kbm lobbies and then switch to controller but not able to que controller lobbies then switch to kbm...and if you played pc you que into pc lobby regardless of your input. So controller on PC goes into pc lobby...if you qd into kbm lobby aka pc lobby you could switch between kbm/controller. If you qd into controller lobby with both inputs you were unable to switch to kbm...you have never been able to get into a console lobby on PC since the ibmm was implemented

And Microsoft vp is on record stating he feels 3rd party kbm on console could create an unfair playing field but announces that they won't implement blocks on a SYSTEM level fore 2 reasons.

      1) they want to leave gameplay management in the hands of the developers. Meaning the devs should decide how they game is played

      2) they feel it will restrict access to those with limited accessibility

Which again I'm cool with both. I have stated I have no problem kbm on console even though I think it's detrimental.what I do have a problem with is kbm and pad mixed lobbies.

Otherwise I might as well bind wasd to a left foot joystick jump to a right pedal and just use qwe

Asd.  Asd primary binds since I "have arthritis"  adding two more control devices on two more limbs shouldn't be a problem. Even though this would be an even greater mechanical advantage of kbm

@full951 I think we actually agree on the meat of my point here. I am simply trying to say that kbm and controller should NOT be in the same lobby...

You wanna play kbm but the devs don't support it? I'm sorry but you should be banned. If the devs had wanted it to be kbm compatible it would be.

And I still feel it's cheating and hold the fact that you will NEVER see a kbm player at an Xbox tournament as pretty solid proof. 

Last thought here...for a game like apex there is really no reason why you need a xim. I can't imagine that a household would have an Xbox and the funds for a xim but not have a PC capable of running a free to play game. "But my friends all have xbox"...they all use controllers too...wanna play with them you should like LIKE them

It's not even a real mouse. Lol it's just a peripheral which looks like a mouse which controls the default analogue stick on a gamepad. I have used these devices before, and it is total utter s* compared to a real mouse. And when you factor in the Aim-assist most of the time it's actually worst than controlling the analogue stick normally through the gamepad. 

You think you have cheating issues with crappy XIM then come to PC and you will see "real" cheating.

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@HamoHitman wrote:

@full951 I think we actually agree on the meat of my point here. I am simply trying to say that kbm and controller should NOT be in the same lobby...

You wanna play kbm but the devs don't support it? I'm sorry but you should be banned. If the devs had wanted it to be kbm compatible it would be.

And I still feel it's cheating and hold the fact that you will NEVER see a kbm player at an Xbox tournament as pretty solid proof. 

Last thought here...for a game like apex there is really no reason why you need a xim. I can't imagine that a household would have an Xbox and the funds for a xim but not have a PC capable of running a free to play game. "But my friends all have xbox"...they all use controllers too...wanna play with them you should like LIKE them

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well, it's not up to you or me if anyone gets banned for using mouse and keyboard. it's up to the devs really. and as you say, they have all the help in the world from Microsoft..  and no one ever has been banned. so. . I'm gonna go with the judgements of devs wether or not it's cheating.

I'd be really impressed if you can prove to me the devs of any game ever have or even have the intention of banning or blocking emulators. we've only seen blocking and separated lobbies of native support. that's it. 

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@HamoHitman wrote:

@full951 

.... Otherwise I might as well bind wasd to a left foot joystick jump to a right pedal and just use qwe

Asd.  Asd primary binds since I "have arthritis"  adding two more control devices on two more limbs shouldn't be a problem. Even though this would be an even greater mechanical advantage of kbm

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yes, this is absolutely doable with first and third party controllers and is available to you and anyone with or without arthritis. no dev or console maker has any problem with that even if you throw a mouse in the mix. I 100% guarantee it

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@DankToliet wrote:
from the Xim dev himself:

"We know our usage numbers and what games people are playing with their XIM APEX devices. Compared to the numbers of gamers on Apex Legends -- just like PUBG -- even if all XIM gamers were playing this one game, it would account for less than a fraction of a percent. It's ridiculous to see that, but, totally consistent with how gamers in these community think. That is they can't take blame for losing -- it must have been because someone else has some sort of advantage over them."

interpret it however you'd like.

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cool. I had not seen that statement from obsiv about knowing the usage numbers.

I would ask how he came to that percentage. was he making a ratio of average concurrent players over a week? a day? since launch? or peak numbers or is he going of total downloads? 50 million is  a big number but that's not how many are playing all at once. 

"We have have anonymous telemetry that's captured for XIM APEX. However, if you were to assume every XIM gamer was playing Apex Legends, it would still be noise compared to the millions that play the game"

he then lists a link we can't post here.

that's the thing people who don't know just assume. They automatically think whichever game they're playing EVERY Xim user is playing that game, and even then how do you know they're using mk.

I saw a video of a guy playing rainbow 6 with a Wii remote and a playstation move on Xbox.

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@DankToliet wrote:

I saw a video of a guy playing rainbow 6 with a Wii remote and a playstation move on Xbox.

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+1