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littlxr
5 years ago

Re: FPS Strike pack / Cronus / XIM, etc.

@Wingmannedbro So it's evident based on some of your responses that you're a XIM (mouse) user. I'm not really referring to that as being the biggest problem, of course providing the recoil is the same for you, and there are no rapid-fire macros enabled, etc. If, however, mouse users gain an advantage through being able to adjust and compensate for recoil far easier than possible on console, then I'm sorry but it's just simply not fair.

We're not talking about one player using a Dualshock 4 and the other using a Scuf here. We're talking about people using a modification to play others online that is still not actually allowed under the T&Cs and therefore must be added using a third-party method, and that's why it's a problem. It means that not everyone can just go to the store and come home with a PS4 mouse and keyboard and plug it in to "git gud", which means that people in the know, have that advantage over players that don't have the option.

Anyway I digress, I don't want to dissuade from my real problem which is anti-recoil. It's a cancer, it is in every single game I play now (and I'm really not exaggerating), it is GLARINGLY obvious and I'm immensely bored of players online being like "Bro it's called getting good and controlling recoil lmao". Because either they're trolling, fan boys, or the more likely option being they use the cheats themselves because they're equally cowardly and can't bear to admit it to the world because they'll be found out.

You head over to Twitch or whatever and see a lot of these streamers using the Strike Pack openly, encouraging people to buy it, claiming there are no repercussions etc. These people will be nobodies again if a ban comes into force, they'll be bang average at the game with no device keeping their aim steady for them, they'll all fade back into bitter anonymity whilst the rest of us can start enjoying true competition again and that'll be the most beautiful day since the game's release.

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  • Wingmannedbro's avatar
    Wingmannedbro
    5 years ago

    @littlxr 

    No, it is not evident from my responses i am a Xim user, I don't even play Apex, I play Fortnite with a mouse and keyboard natively.

    But mouse transceivers have been around for quite a long time now, it's completely above ground, the demonstration and instruction video's can be viewed by anyone on Youtube, as well as the buyers reviews.

    I have seen them, and im telling you straight up that no recoil don't work the way you think they do, and if you see players in games who seem to have little to no recoil, they probably use a mouse.

    No recoil scripts don't allow the user to move the reticle, I have stated this before in my previous comment, if the people you spectate are able to move around their crosshairs while shooting to track running targets, that means they are NOT using no recoil scripts.

  • DankToliet's avatar
    DankToliet
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago
    @littlxr M&k aren't even that much of a issue. PC mixes both controllers and keyboard players.

    Respawn has to do something about modded controllers and strike packs on console. I ordered a strike packs so I could get 4 extra buttons without have to pay $180 for an elite V2. And I have the ability to use those mods if I wanted.

    I honestly got it so I could block and dodge easier in Final Fantasy 15 ><
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @Wingmannedbro I can't really tell if you're even talking about the same problem here, because if you're referring to the anti-recoil on Strike Packs, like I am, then you should be aware that YES, THEY DO eliminate recoil. Have you ever seen one in action?

    I recommend watching any of the umpteen videos on YouTube of players testing and recommending different settings for the Strike Pack. There are many videos showing the comparison between normal firing without touching the analogue stick, and firing using a mod without touching the analogue stick. It essentially ensures that each mod shoots any gun with pinpoint accuracy, so that when you DO use the analogue stick, the bullets laserbeam to the centre of your reticle every time.

    This isn't really up for debate I'm afraid, because it is available for everyone to see and unfortunately even experience for themselves for a measly £40. There's a reason everyone is using them mate, and it's not just for the "extra paddles".
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @DankToliet Yeah, again, I'm not really referring to M&K, although if it has to exist, it should be native and not third party. It lies in the grey area of gaming in my opinion, because an average competent M&K player is always going to be better than a good console player due to sheer logistics. Wrist and arm aiming is lightyears above thumb aiming in terms of accuracy, I think we can all agree on that.

    But again I digress, I am trying to mainly highlight Strike Packs and any form of anti-recoil as being the fundamental issue plaguing my enjoyment on this game.
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago

    https://youtu.be/cfw2pSq2Tnc

    For anyone unaware of how this thing works and how effective it is. 

    Gamers are such a bizarre species. Half use cheats, and it's almost as though the other half would rather dig for a million different ways to tell someone to git gud than accept such cheats exist at times, even when faced with undeniable facts, statistics and evidence. So, so weird. Twitter is full of people claiming anti-recoil doesn't even exist. It really astounds me, and perpetuates the notion that absolutely squat will get done about it because "not enough people are complaining". 

  • Wingmannedbro's avatar
    Wingmannedbro
    5 years ago
    @littlxr wrote:
    @WingmannedbroI can't really tell if you're even talking about the same problem here, because if you're referring to the anti-recoil on Strike Packs, like I am, then you should be aware that YES, THEY DO eliminate recoil. Have you ever seen one in action?

    I am literally facepalming right now. I have written 2 consecutive times now about how such no recoil scripts work, and that they suck really bad.

    And yet here you are arguing that they do eliminate recoil, even tho i never said they did not, BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT, AND WILL NOT READ ANYTHING ANYONE WRITES.

    Bye, you're impotent with rage, Anti recoil scripts are bad, they only work if you intent to shoot at a supply bin, a rock, or another object that doesn't move.

    1 last time, Anti Recoil scripts DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO MOVE YOUR GUN ONCE YOU START SHOOTING, SO YOU CANNOT FOLLOW TARGETS AS THEY MOVE AROUND, THIS MEANS THAT THOSE SCRIPTS ONLY WORK ON SOMEBODY WHO IS AFK OR TRYING TO RECONNECT AND ON THOSE TARGETS YOU DONT BENEFIT FROM IT ANYWAY.

    Hopefully you can read it this time, I tested anti recoil scripts personally, and they will absolutely make you lose more than win more.

    Be my guest, use it, and see how good you think they are.

  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago

    I was wondering how long it'd take before your obvious inner bitter, spoilt, self-entitled brat burst out from the seams.

    FYI, I can read quite well. I read everything you wrote the first few times, across a few different threads - You're just incorrect, that's all. And shouting your beliefs isn't going to improve your error either. In reading your responses here and in other threads, what was immediately apparent was:

    1) Your defensiveness towards any form of highlighting of cheating and mouse/keyboard users gaining an unfair advantage (because you have admitted that you are one of them).

    2) Your inability to believe or consider truths that are not your own.

    3) That you "don't even play Apex" despite your username, yet you are insistent on knowing how people shoot and use anti-recoil on PS4 with more apparent knowledge than I (someone who DOES actively play the game and have saved plenty of videos on my HDD of this occurring).

    4) That everything is fine as long as you're enjoying, and that if there are players whose enjoyment is in contrast to your own due to something you use or support, then they must be wrong.

    5) That you're incapable of understanding that my highlighting of anti-recoil isn't a desperate misguided whine, but a self-confessed plague that is out there for the entire world to use and see.

    These mods are everywhere, they are encouraged, affiliated, and paraded by streamers and cheaters all over the globe due to their ability to make a useless player become highly competent overnight. I still cannot fathom why you think these things can be so popular if they make people worse at the game. Why do you think every teen is begging his mother for a strike pack these days? Why on earth would anti-recoil mods even exist and get tweaked every time there's a new Apex patch if they didn't actually work? I am honestly contemplating whether or not you're just trolling by this point. You do go on about Fortnite an awful lot after all.

    Either way, if you're still genuinely seething with denial over there, here's another final video for you, pumpkin. One of a million videos out there that show self-confessed anti-recoil in action during matches, but I'm not doing the leg work and finding "better ones" for you. This one shows it well enough:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_HKj2y8qg

    "Hopefully you can read it this time."

  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @Wingmannedbro And if you're going to come back in here spouting the same bull, at least watch that video first so you can still try and explain to us all how anti-recoil doesn't exist or make people better at the game. I'll wait.
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @littlxr I just want to add this one in here too, to highlight the ease in which a Mouse/Keyboard user can use anti recoil scripts and hacks, also transferable to XIM and third party M&K support on PS4. It's blatant, it cannot be defended, it's absolutely unacceptable. Don't anybody dare try telling me the guns used in this clip have simply been "controlled expertly well".

    https://youtu.be/I7dqpJoBkJs
  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    5 years ago

    I find it funny that the first good chunk of that other video had aim drift. (I didn’t really watch it, just skimmed it.) 

  • Wingmannedbro's avatar
    Wingmannedbro
    5 years ago
    @littlxr wrote:

    I was wondering how long it'd take before your obvious inner bitter, spoilt, self-entitled brat burst out from the seams.

    FYI, I can read quite well. I read everything you wrote the first few times, across a few different threads - You're just incorrect, that's all. And shouting your beliefs isn't going to improve your error either. In reading your responses here and in other threads, what was immediately apparent was:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_HKj2y8qg

    "Hopefully you can read it this time."

    This reply demonstrates that you legitimately struggle with reading comprehension.

    I never said anti recoil scripts did not eliminate recoil, I said that a by product of how those scripts work means that it locks your aim on the exact place you shoot at, and if the enemy character moves you cannot track that target.

    In the video you linked you can see those people letting go of ADS in the middle of firing in order to move their aim, which is EXACTLY what I said to 3 times before now, and for the FOURTH time right now.

    Im frankly done with you, it feels like i'm talking to a wall.

  • Mr_Mi5ch13f_2's avatar
    Mr_Mi5ch13f_2
    5 years ago

    I did not see anything that would lead me to believe the lady in the video was cheating. Happy to have it pointed out but it is a highlight video and only shows the best bits. What I was seeing looked just like what i do when it is going well. There were plenty of missed wingman shots and eva 8 shots. I saw quite a few missed bullets from the full auto guns as well. I just don't see it, sorry.

  • MandatoryIDtag's avatar
    MandatoryIDtag
    5 years ago

    @Mr_Mi5ch13f_2  It was definitely present, however  it did seem to be most prevalent when there was little movement from enemy legends.

    There was literally 0 recoil on the r301 clips,  i used to watch a lot of youtubers when i first started playing to help me learn the game and i never saw recoil control to that extent.

    It did seem to go completely to crap when the players being shot at were moving a lot, like you said a lot of missed shots.

  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @Mr_Mi5ch13f_2 Just to clarify, it doesn't make people aim much better. So you will still see missed shots, bad movement and dangerous play, etc. This is why cheaters don't win every game (and sometimes I am indeed lucky enough to beat them too). It makes people aim straighter, which is a different thing entirely. In the clip I shared of the streamer, the very first part of the clip shows her firing a Devotion and a Spitfire with zero recoil or gun twitching. Now, we all play the game (Except Wingmannedbro apparently, who'd have thunk it), so we all know what a Devotion does when you fire it. Its recoil is programmed to get more stable the longer you shoot - correct? She is hipfiring/ADSing the Devotion with zero recoil from her first shot right through to her last shot - and that's without taking the other clips into consideration. She is also all over Twitter sharing clips with zero recoil, and people are asking her how she does it. There is no one on this planet that can keep a Devotion vertically stable whilst only manoeuvring left/right to strafe or attack targets like that. Same with the Spitfire. I can control both pretty well and 'm sure a lot of people are waaaay better than me at it too, but it doesn't matter how well you can compensate for a gun, it will always at least twitch when aiming and firing at other players because you can't aim AND compensate for recoil 100% at the same time, every time, does that make sense?

    For a deeper example, let's say the R99 pulled heavily to the left when firing. If you are trying to shoot a target moving to the right and up, you wouldn't be able to accurately compensate the left motion to laserbeam accuracy whilst also aiming right and up - it's not possible, the stick only goes in one direction at a time. You can always CONTROL it, but you can't eliminate it. These mods and mouse scripts eliminate it, allowing you to ignore the recoil of any predefined gun and letting you focus on the aiming only.
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @MandatoryIDtag I'm glad you can spot it. It isn't difficult when you know how the guns fire and when you know what it looks like firing a gun with/without an anti-recoil mod. The difference is absolutely glaring, and is prevalent in today's game, not just in Apex either. Destiny and Titanfall are also plagued with it, with plenty of people online sharing best scripts and settings to eliminate recoil on their respective guns.
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @littlxr And, I'd like to reiterate that yes there are missed shots, but skilled players using these mods are far better, far more frustrating, and far more dangerous. I think we can all agree that this person and everyone else using mods misses less shots than they would without the mods - and that is the definition of unfair advantage.

    Also, I am not speculating about the woman in the video clip. She admits to using the mods, as does the person in the other clip, evident by the video entitled:

    Anti-Recoil + Aim Assist + Aim Abuse MOD || Apex Legends || (Strike Pack,Cronusmax,Ps4,XB1)
  • ColdHours's avatar
    ColdHours
    5 years ago

    In a perfect word these cheaters would all be doxxed. Followed by a group of people visiting them. Then said group holding the offender down. While they use a pair of rusty pruning shears to clip off the pointer finger on both hands. Problem solved.  🙂

  • MandatoryIDtag's avatar
    MandatoryIDtag
    5 years ago

    @littlxr  It's hard to say how widely used these things are to be honest.There are a lot of players who are also blaming the one hard to swallow fact, they got outplayed on these macro's.

    I've been playing this game since quite early on, and i'll have this exact reaction sometimes, but taking the time to spectate really does tell if you've just been outplayed or not.

    For me more often than it usually is that I've just been outplayed, but i have seen a number of players using these anti recoil scripts. I'm not sure whether i'd say its rampant but it's certainly an annoying issue.

    The one thing i'll take from this topic though is that high levels of movement massively offset these macros which is pretty comforting to be honest....just gonna have to up my game on that front some more. 😉

  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @MandatoryIDtag See, there's a fundamental problem with spotting anti-recoil, and it usually comes down to how long you stay alive each game. Not that I'm suggesting either of us is better than the other, I just mean that the longer I stay alive, the more I notice it. And if I reach top 5 (which is extremely frequent) then it's almost guaranteed. This makes it harder for some people to spot or even accept it exists, because if they're dying early on most games, then they're likely just dying to you and I (for example).

    I'll explain it this way. 60 players drop in per game. If even just 5% of people are using mods now (which they undoubtedly are, and more), then the laws of probability state that each game will have ~3 people modding, at least, although I'm happy to bet my testicles that there are more than that. They COULD die immediately through poor dropping or bad loot, or even bad gameplay. But more often than not, they will laserbeam their way through most people (especially thanks to current SBMM) and make it to the final circles, usually winning the game. So in the later stages, when most players have been eliminated, that's when you'll really see the ugly side - if you look for it.

    I spectate everyone that kills me, which started as a mild curiosity as to how others play, how the final circle will pan out, etc. But now, it's become a method of intense scrutiny to see whether or not my death was warranted, or full of bs. Nowadays, in the final few squads, the level of anti-recoil bs is extraordinary and more frequent than not, and I could save video clips all day to prove it. I played this evening, and it happened for six games in a row. I am not exaggerating either, because I see no need to exaggerate and can also prove my claims very easily.

    Even that typical excitable moment at the end of a match when the champions are announced, and they're firing off their guns at each other etc. Even then, their anti-recoil is painfully obvious. Their guns don't move a millimetre.

    I'm not an expert on cheating, I don't know factually how each individual player is doing it. That's not my job. All I know, is that it's happening, and considering it happens to me every single day, almost every game - then it's happening to everyone else too. I just want more people to spectate and start taking as much notice of it as I do, it really has to go.
  • Sir_Named's avatar
    Sir_Named
    5 years ago
    @littlxr I don't really want to use the spectate system because it often is fairly laggy, and just kind of sucks.
  • littlxr's avatar
    littlxr
    5 years ago
    @Sir_Named Fair enough. I don't actually expect anyone else to do it, I'm aware that the majority of people who aren't cheating don't really care enough and that's fine. Some people enjoy games more, some take them more seriously, some take their own free time more seriously and really dislike seeing it hindered by scrubs. Either way, I don't take issues with people not caring about it - we're all different 🙂

    I just take issues with those that'll argue its apparent non-existence and effectiveness, when it 100% exists with overwhelming evidence, that's all.
  • dumplingsmaster's avatar
    dumplingsmaster
    5 years ago

    Your information may be correct for the M&K / PC world but it is incorrect in regard to StrikePack macros on console.  There are a myriad of YT videos showing StrikePack and other macro using add ons that cancel the recoil of Apex weapons.  You have full movement capability and reticle control.  The StrikePack uses a macro that mimics thumbstick movement exactly counter to the given weapons recoil pattern.  If you add a barrel stabilzer for example and the macro is not set for it it well actual degrade your aim.  As an Xbox player I dont recall ever running into the anti-recoil cheat but did report several ppl for the rapid fire cheat.  The rapid fire macro cut the report of the shot short and you could hear the diffirance in a firefight.  Since crossplay I run into no recoil cheaters fairly often.  Apparently these StrikePacks are more prevelant in the Playstation community.  If you watch a player, often after they have lasered you with the high recoil R99 from long distance, the use of the pack is pretty easy to spot.  Because the recoil compensation is so good their reticle doesnt budge even during long bursts of fire.  I follow both pro's and streamers and none of them have this level of recoil compensation.  I generally report the player and then post a captured video on Apexes channel on Xvox live.  I don't know that it makes a difference but eventually it will start hurting server pop levels and someone will do something

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