Anonymous

Re: I Understand Why Valorant Became So Successful, No Aim Assist.

No, Apex Legends is a good business venture for EA being very successful, but no it's not a real competitive video game title. It has competitive elements, but it's still based around RNG, Legends of different stature and/ or so varying randomness that it would be quite hard to predict the outcome.

A competitive title in my opinion wouldn't be about randomness, but about known paths and/ or elements that one must learn and continue to get better at. Two teams of equal skill and/ or practice competing against one another.

Apex Legends doesn't do that, it's more based on who can wait the longest and shoot the last person/s. In my opinion, a true competitive title wouldn't have that as the core gameplay, but would be more like team A vs team B or so on.

DOTA 2, LOL, CS: GO, Valorant, Tom Clancy's Siege, Overwatch (does have different size heros, but not random). It's like the same thing with PUBG, it can't ever be competitive because it's based on RNG. How can anyone be competitive on something that is randomly generated?

Respawn tried to do competitive Apex legends, it's called Arenas.

Valorant became popular because most mouse & keyboard players knew it wouldn't cater to the aim assist community, so they invested their time into it. Streamers suggested changing aim assist to Respawn, but they wouldn't listen, here we are. Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.

My own beliefs on what I don't consider competitive.

1) Aim assistance
2) Low tick rate servers
3) RNG (Random Number Generator)

12 Replies

MandatoryIDtag
4 years ago
@Popa2caps Honestly, I don't think apex was ever intended to be truly competitive.
The more cynical side of me wants to just call it an elaborate lootbox cash grab scheme maintained at a high enough quality to keep consumers invested in the game (with both time and money).
Alas, that's just my view on the whole thing lol, by no means does it mean I'm correct. 😛
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@Popa2caps
I agree with everything that you said that just the nature of apex being BR and the RNG dictating a lot of things on what will happen except for the aim assist argument.
Can you name teams in the ALGS that quit just because of aim assist? If aim assist is that strong why isn’t every player in the league use a controller? Of course you’ll have to use everything into your advantage to win that huge prize pool money.
“Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.” Hal and PVPx complaining about aim assist seems to be still doing well even after bashing controller players. So as the other apex streamers.
Kyldenar
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Oh, good, this poor dead horse again.
Maybe someday they'll bury the poor thing instead of beating it...
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@Kyldenar Streamers have to keep their interactions up especially in twitter. These hot takes has a lot of replies which the twitter algorithm will put these tweets into people’s timelines even though they don’t follow that user.

Just observe the Rampage complaints 2 seasons ago where it was not nerfed yet the complaining just magically stopped. The wingman which was unchanged for multiple seasons suddenly became the target of people asking for a nerf. The hot new issue now is the gold knockdown shields which people are asking to be removed.
Kyldenar
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man wrote:
The hot new issue now is the gold knockdown shields which people are asking to be removed.
Oh, you mean the shields that never really work unless a team is bad at confirming kills or it's a mess of a fight?
Cause if you use the shield, they know to thirst you, and if you don't, you likely get shot down by people trying to get some kill or assist credit.
In 400+ hours of the game, I have had gold shields work for me ONCE.
Cro_Pittt
4 years ago
@Kyldenar Unfortunately gold knockdowns can literally make you win even if you lost a game, just think when last circle is closing: you fight a team, you knock everyone but you're low hp, while one of them has a gold knockdown you try to finish him but one tick of the zone is enough to kill you. Result you're dead and that team you managed to defeat actually won. I know it's situational but still i'd be still mad if that happens to me lol.
KelRiever
4 years ago
This is a silly reason Valorant is more successful. Which it may be in ways, but is not in others.
I mean, I'm not a super Apex fan either, if you aren't familiar with my posts but you throw your credibility out the window when you cite non-reasons.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Cheese9ManGreat players aren't leaving apex due to aim assist. You and I know that. If anything more and more orgs are signing teams and comp is growing and growing. Complaining about aim assist is a crutch people cling to so they can blame their death on something.
I can't believe pubg is even being used in comparison......
Cro_Pittt
4 years ago
@hayhor Optic just joined Apex and there some rumors about FaZe as well, for sure Apex is not declining lol.
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@Cro_Pittt wrote:
@hayhor Optic just joined Apex and there some rumors about FaZe as well, for sure Apex is not declining lol.
Pretty sure Valorant is bigger than apex especially their competitive scene.
Anonymous
4 years ago
@hayhor

I'm not sure you fully understand my post. My post is about directly playing with a mouse & keyboard in different titles that don't offer aim assist.

1) PUBG doesn't have aim assist on consoles and/ or PC, meaning there isn't aim assist on consoles. It's relevant because it doesn't offer aim assistance.
2) Overwatch doesn't offer aim assist to controller users while in PC lobbies.
3) Tom Clancy's Siege doesn't offer aim assist while against player versus player (only in terrorist hunt).

So if someone started playing with mouse & keyboard in Apex Legends, but then moved to one of the titles above, they would feel quite relaxed.

Also it sounds like you want to 1v1 me in Apex Legends @hayhor . I'll use any input device you want me to, my man. This isn't a joke, I'll do it if you want, even if you have 60% aim assist.
Anonymous
4 years ago
@Cheese9Man
@Cheese9Man wrote:
Can you name teams in the ALGS that quit just because of aim assist?
1) No, I can't and/ or haven't heard of anyone that has quit ALGS because of aim assist. It's my opinion that once someone is already established into the ALGS, why leave something that's profitable. They make money, why give that up? I do however believe that some mouse & keyboard players left Apex Legends directly because of aim assist.

@Cheese9Man wrote:
If aim assist is that strong why isn’t every player in the league use a controller? Of course you’ll have to use everything into your advantage to win that huge prize pool money.

2) In league I'm guessing you mean ALGS, If so, Well some are already proficient with mouse & keyboard, the issue with aim assist in my mind is the people learning the device for the first time while getting aim assisted by controllers. Again, I don't think the two devices shouldn't be competing against one another while one has aim assist.

Also, those numbers are truly impressive for Valorant. For a non-aim assist and/ or cross-play title to hold those numbers is wild. I say that as Riot games only caters to the mouse & keyboard community currently. Could you imagine if they released it for consoles, just wow.