Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction

Here is a clip of Australia Quali if Jeddah isn't a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTL4WOdp8xY
From what I see, most of my points still stand about the grip. I understand that if the grip was just increased then lap times would be very quick but the current low level that it is at is incredibly tedious for driving and there are plenty of solutions to lower lap times while increasing grip, such as raising kerbs and more.

I understand that high loads on the tyres were reduced a lot last year and this year, but its far too unstable compared to real life and is way too easily lost IMO.

On Asseto Corsa, the comparison was based on the 2017 Car which was made as DLC for the game; I understand it will never be 1:1 but it is more realistic than the f1 games to actual f1 cars which is why I made the comparison as if a more accurate racing model could be made or the current one improved to become more sim like then racing could be made much more fun 

and less tedious

A change that could be made is to reduce downforce so that cornering speed is reduced, but due to the increased grip, there would be minimal change to the cornering speed.

Traction isn't often a problem for esports guys since they've spent and will continue to spend hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of hours into the game as it is their job, so they will master it to a level which the casual person will not.

However, despite this one of the big pros of increasing grip would be a more realistic game which would replicate real-life experiences closer than it is currently doing

@Meza994  Yes but if downforce is reduced then lap time is lost on medium and high-speed corners while being regained in low-speed corners meaning the overall change to lap speeds should not be very big while traction and grip is improved.

Also, the reason why I provided the telemetry data of an f1 driver is to show the difference between the game and real-life in how the throttle application is done, and how if you tried to replicate it you would most certainly spin out. It had nothing to do with casuals, and the reason why esport pros can be compared with casuals while f1 drivers can't is that casuals and esport pros play the exact same game, while a casual does not actually drive an f1 car while an f1 driver does

I forgot to mention coming out of the pits with cold medium tires is like hitting ice once I regain control at the pit exit.   The slightest touch on the throttle and the back end snaps.    The pit exit at Miami is ridiculously difficult to handle and I basically lose the race on my out lap.   The AI cars seems to have a lot more traction on cold tires. Perhaps I will get use to the new feel soon but right now I have felt like rage quitting several times.   Haha. 

@SertacKaratepe_ Ok, let me first start off by saying my main issue is not spinning but the tedious throttle control you need to do to not spin being incredibly unrealistic and yes I drive without no TC.

"It means considering these demands, developers will trim the realistic aspects of the game into an arcade which can be played around by anyone."
Secondly, the main point of the post was that the throttle control and instability is not a realistic aspect and is only here to artificially increase the difficulty. Actual f1 drivers such as Lando have said that medium tc is closer to real-life grip than no tc, if the system was close to actual f1 driving then I would not have made this post, but it's not.

You are acting like people are asking for spinning to be removed entirely but that is not at all what has been said in this thread from what I have seen, they are saying and suggesting for grip and stability to be increased to a more realistic level based on telemtary footage of f1 drivers driving

Your opinion on this game being the most realistic game in the f1 franchise might be true about the handling and tyre models, but certainly not about the throttle control. If you want a "decent f1 simulation game" then try out a sim like Asseto Corsa and Iracing (both of which simulate f1 cars with a higher level of grip and have less tedious throttle control; oh wait thats not what you want!)

Your entire argument about making grip higher ruining a realistic aspect makes no sense, as it was stated before several f1 drivers have stated the traction and grip was closer to real life when traciton control was on.

@JasVerstoppen038 I prefer driving with cockpit cam

@SertacKaratepe_ I understand where you are coming from but with f1 22 they have made several things much more realistic but instead, they've taken a step back in throttle realism. As you said the game should be more sim-like, which is why I made this thread, because I've played sims like Asseto Corsa with f1 cars, and they are difficult to drive, but their throttle is nowhere near as tedious as the f1 games, and the grip they have is much more, so actually increasing grip would make it more sim-like if done right.

I understand your concern about whether Codemasters will be able to do this without making it incredibly easy to drive, but honestly, with the improved handling and tyre model this year I think they can increase grip in a way where the cars won't be easy to drive but throttle controlling won't be as tedious as it currently is

If they do that so, I’m onboard. But I have rightfully big concerns.

Grip is good as it is, and won't be changed.

An improvement to engine torque and general total torque per gear to allow better throttle application, therefore giving more confidence to the player under acceleration, is coming as soon as possible. But this will be the last tweak to the base handling.

@DavidG53 @A wee adjust to how much wheel slip in  either max or med TC obviously wouldn’t affect the cars handling physics 

@DavidG53 Are we talking days, weeks or months? This is really important for our league. Thank you.

@DavidG53 Will the controller's ffb and vibration gonna be fixed? ☹️