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Rayne_Meteor's avatar
5 years ago

Caustic Nerf is Trash, How bout you fix SBMM instead

Ok so I main Caustic and I'm not exactly the best of player. Far from it in my opinion. Probably the campiest apex player you'll ever see. This nerf to his gas is the most trash thing apex has done. Ppl complained pros and not about dying to caustic and his gas all the time. Half or more of the legends can push a caustic if you do it right, you can shut off traps or trigger them with grenades to not deal with them, you can also get out of his gas fairly quick heirloom speed buff or no. So why nerf the dmg of his ult and the cd of it? Bc the pros said you should and bc the statistics said caustic had the highest win rate of matches over 20mins long? There has to be more other wise you're the most stupid balancing and gaming staff in the world. We have kc and olympus right now. Caustic isn't viable on olympus, in 2 seasons of it I've won 1 time with caustic on the map and it wasn't even bc of me. Kc I racked up wins this season and haven't won in like 3 weeks now. Both of the maps have a problem called there is 5 or less teams left by the end of the 1st circle 9 matches out of 10. The one out of 10 that isn't that way there's 10 teams and there's a pro team smurfing and killing everyone while they all hide. Point is the last 20min match I had in apex was months ago. I even have the video to prove it on youtube. I feel I should bring up what no one is mentioning either; why does caustic have an ult at this point bc his ult does 5dmg/sec and his traps do 6. The damn traps do more dmg than his ult. I get the devs say the game is meant to be skill based and not abilities but, you literally handed us someone labeled toxic trapper. Whether you want to see it or not apex devs the game is at minimum a 50/50 on skill and ability based gameplay. You're so busy listening to pros who complain and I watched one of their videos. He complained about caustics gas and completely nullified his own point bc he just shot everyone and didn't use the damn gas he was complaining about. I've been on both ends of caustic bc even as a main there's only so much of the big boy I can play before I need a break. Only thing is I have a brain and don't push caustics without a plan unlike every person who complains about him. I have the perfect example. Me and my team had blue evos in top 3, we got pushed in a small building on kc by 3 red evos. They pushed me as a fully set up caustic and weren't even phased bc they were cocky and thought they'd win. Long story short we got 2nd place after I squad wiped them for being dumb but, they literally could've and should've beat us to a pulp with no issues at all. They pushed without a plan, failed and then probably raged and broke their controllers after. It's not bc caustic is broken, it's bc 99% of the ppl who push caustic don't think first. If you wanna address a real issue in apex I have 2 for you devs. 1 is the servers * out all the time for me and my friends on a constant. 1 of them can't even play more than one match bc the game is literally broken for them and they've tried reinstalling multiple times. The other issue you should address is the glaring skill based match making issue in your game. I'm an above avg player according to statistics and what everyone around me says. I say I'm trash but, can't argue with ppl. Point is I have 4k life time kills and 150 something lifetime wins. The other day for example I got paired with a champion wraith with 17k kills and over 540 wins on just wraith. Idk about anyone else but, I'd call that a major mistake. It's not just that match though, it's every match and every server I try to run away to. I'm an avg player and my lobbies are filled with aceu, lulu and zues. Not exaggerated, those are the only 3 pros I know for a fact have been in them but, the ppl who aren't known and in my lobvies are that skill lv. I haven't won in 2 or 3 weeks and have only gotten top 2 like maybe 5 times out of over 40hrs of gameplay. I've literally been avoiding playing this season bc of the sbmm issues bc a game is no fun if you never win and just get * on by pros every match every day. I will admit I did a lot with the Mozambique this season and out of like 40 wins this season I used the mozam for about 30 something but, if that alone gets you put in pro lobbies then no one will ever screw around in apex again bc that's literally all I was doing, screwing around. My friend's favorite quote from me this season is "I'm sry for * on ppl with a Mozambique apex, please take away the sweats". It's a joke but, I mean it seriously, fix the sbmm for the love of everything. Also find a middle ground for caustic bc you basically made hime unplayable by listening to the pros too much. I get 12-14dmg tick is too much for a cap but, how bout we settle on 10 cap and call it good. It's called an ult for a reason and it's not one anymore if the canisters out do it. That's just plain and simple facts.

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  • Tbf I do play pushy as well with my ult or atleast did before the nerf. No one's afraid of caustic anymore so I just die every time I choose him now. Pubs I'd play campy or pushy depending on my teammates and ranked I'd be campy usually bc I was the only one left alive or bc my team was ok with me running things and just was there to catch some placement rp. I definitely agree with the octane statement, it does apply to more than just him but, he really is one of the best examples of an all rounder in apex. I mean he's even a viable strat in ranked this season and in pred lobbies no less. Caustic getting nerfed wasn't really a warranted thing just like the previously revoked buff wasn't warranted for him either. He was fine the way he was and now he's just a useless bullet sponge that no one fears anymore. Hopefully they fix him by revoking the nerf or find a middle ground fix very soon.

  • What you said about backing off just means you have a brain when it comes to pushing ppl. Congrats to you on that and I mean that sincerely. The ppl who got caustic nerfed were the ones who pushed with no plan and raged when they died. The problem is ppl don't wanna think like that when pushing in apex. I get it, it makes the game faster with no strategy or skills getting in the way. If you want a game like that though ppl can just go play Cod in my opinion where the most you gotta worry about is claymorea and a 5yr old screaming in your ear. Abilities are in the game and shouldn't be nerfed just bc ppl don't like the strategy aspect of a fight in their way. And anyone who thinks caustic is still viable, you're very wrong. I've had almost every match with me and my friends taking turns as caustic and ppl push us in his ult and multiple canisters, kill us all and walk away after with no issues. Before the nerf that would've never happened. There's a glitch now too that I've been seeing where if you combine a canister and his ult it does 6dmg per tick to ppl instead of the 10 per tick that's supposed to be happening in that case. No matter how you look at it he's useless now unless you're pro lv with aim and movement and lets be honest, no caustic main is that lv. And another thing if apex isn't supposed to be ability reliant then they should have no problem nerfing horizon amd wraith into the ground and they haven't yet. Wonder why that is? Pros and the like cough... Cough...

  • Triumphkutter's avatar
    Triumphkutter
    5 years ago

    i feel you man...

    thb i wouldnt mind a damagenerf in general,

    but in combination with the heatshields it is waaaay too much

    they are good workarounds against caustic gas/ult in later circles.

    but we have to wait a bit, i feel like caustic is very weak on kings canyon anyway....

  • I think that making the damage to a flat rate of 5 was really harsh. I understand what they were trying to do, but making the damage so that sometimes people are not even scared to walk through it, it hurts. But... I also like the nerf in one way, it makes players use more gun skill than on their gas. Another thing is an idea to maybe bring caustic back up a peg or two. Like maybe keep the initial damage 5, but... it ramps up, not to twelve, but to 8 damage or 9. that way the gas isn't just a visual threat. It's in the middle, so to me it sounds about balanced. Now I know this next one is a bit of a stretch but it would be a pretty funny change. for when you and your teammates are in your on gas, you heal and revive faster, but that's just an idea.

  • You're completely wright, the new caustic nerf made him useless, now in game I can just run through caustic gas like it's nothing. Although it still damages, it hardly does any, the only reason people would play him was to repel squads away from that area or hold them back, but now you can just run through it without taking any major damage to your health. Hopefully Respawn will buff him again because he had a huge nerf.

  • Sueidle's avatar
    Sueidle
    5 years ago

    Honesty i wuld not give him damage buff. Imo all damage abilyits are u fair to some point. But wuld give him some buff wile he stand in his own gas. Dont know passiv heal or invisibility aslong as not moving ar using gear. All area of efect abilitys thet deal direct damage are problematici end game. Especialy damage thet goes directly to helt cose in fight end rings u gona replanish shields but rarely have time to replanish helt. And being killed by abilitys in completly shrinken ring where u dont have any manevar space is just broken. Imo forcing costic to realy on gun same as others is good thing and damage shuld stay low

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