Mastiff too powerful at close range

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@Sir_Named wrote:
@LordloshBangFirst thing, 3:99 is not a valid time signature. I was confused for a second.
After reviewing that TSM guy’s clip, he got the best shot, but that was also not 50 meters. Also, his R-99 recoil control is suspiciously good.
The 3:32 clip is fine. It takes multiple shots, and it is more like 15 meters. Definitely not 50.
The 6:08 clip also proves my point. He had to take two shots, both of which did less than 40 damage. If he had some other auto weapon, it’d be much better.
Yes, a close range shotgun is good for killing a close, mostly defenseless person.

On the other video, the Gibby clip is a good example, but there are some counter points I can make.
The Gibby was surprised, and therefore didn’t put up his gunshield, which put him at a huge disadvantage given his thicc body.

A lot of those clips had people fairly close, maybe 10 meters away, and the Mastiff just did around 50 damage a shot. Not nearly as close to the amount of damage it could do if closer.

Also, I wouldn’t section off a certain range as SMG range only in this kind of scenario. The SMG’s can really be used from 5 meters out to much further (if you have pro aim. Mediocre aim still works, depending on the smg.), and similarly, the shotguns can be used from point blank to 15 meters effectively.

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First clip is 3:59, he is doing 52 damage from a very large distance, and he did not even land the full shot, because the rock took some of the pellets.

I`m talking about this moment:
https://imgur.com/XB83hb5

Don`t know how many meters is, but no shootgun should hit you for 52 damage in that distance. Its completely broken.  With Eva8 you won`t even do 1 damage at that distance.

As far as 6:08 i don`t see how its prove your point, big distance and he is using Mastiff as a medium range weapon and going 40 damage while landing half of his shots. This is ridiculously broken.

Giby clip is another ridiculously one. He kill a purple Giby with 3 shots for 55,66,55 from a distance, and Giby is fortified, so the damage is even higher ..... You should not be able to use Mastiff as range weapon like that, sorry this is broken.

Shotgun should be just finishing weapons that work best at close range, and should not be able to land such heavy shots at medium range.

They should not land any damage at all at that distance, to be fair.

And Shotgun should not do anything more than a 60-70 damage in full hit at close range. They should be finishing weapons, not a whole squads killer with 1-2 shots.

And when you are in house/closed area, the shotgun power is even higher ....

All Shotgun should be balanced towards Eva8 without the double tap trigger. And they should do low to 0 damage at anything further than 15 meters.

I completely disagree with you on this one sorry.

I think the clips and pinpoints i made exactly prove my point, and many peoples think like me, that the Mastiff is completely broken.

I forget to say, that the range of his pellets its ridiculous big, and you just spam, without even properly aiming and you are still hitting your shots for high damage ....

2:01 - Should you be able to do 52 damage in this situation, when he is half behind the door and the distance is not small ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3uTNkCMaA

At 2:55, should you ber able to do 98 damage in that situation and in that range?

At 5:04 house play, game over, 104 damage to no LP ....

The main problem is the big range of its pellets, the big damage, the distance, a lot of bullets, you need to reload just 1 to shoot again, and on top of that, kinda fast shooting.

You don`t need even quite a bit of aim, to spam with it and be successful .....

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@Sir_Named wrote:
@LordloshBangThose distances really aren’t that far. 40 damage per shot isn’t really enough, mainly because something like the R-99 will kill faster at that range.
These ranges really aren’t that far away, definitely not 50 meters in most cases. These are still fairly close.

Besides, if you want the shotguns to not be viable at all at that range, at what range would you prefer them to be viable? Extremely close range? If the shotguns require you to be super close, then people won’t use them as much, since guns like the R-301 just have more versatility in every scenario.

The range of the pellets isn’t that big.



In the 2:00 clip, it seems like the Loba isn’t behind the door at all, but it’s a little hard to tell. I think at the moment he fired, she was halfway, but once the pellets traveled, she was outside. Also, that’s not a big distance. It’s not even mid range.

2:55 clip, yeah, kind of. That’s really not that far. Do you want it to be even closer range than that?

5.04 clip, that’s literally actual close range. Should the shotgun not dominate in that close of a range?

You do have to aim with it.

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They are not fairly close. We are talking nonseses now. This should not be a Shotgun range, you know? You aren`t going to do even 8 damage with Eva8 in that range. And with R99 you actually have to aim, not put a 5cm crasshair from your Mastiff on the target and spam it.

And Gibraltar was eating solid damage from a range, that should not hit for more than 10 hp with a shootgun.

The picture i showed its probably for around 35-50 meters. Yet it hit semi-half of its shot for 52 damage ....

2:00 yeah it could be server lag, but this is a distance. Look how easy is to down an enemy with a shotgun, and you can`t react to it. Its dumb.

2:55 its a complete joke, its not that far, but its 1 shot you for 98 damage .... Comments are not needed there. You should not do that kind of damage with any weapon, unless its a care package, and this is not that kind of a close you know.

For a 5:04 i`m not talking about the range, but the damage and how OP shotguns and mostly Mastiff is inisde a building. Few seconds later he one shooted 1 more player.

You shouldn`t be able to snipe people like that. Shootgun is suppose to be a finishing weapons. Not a 1 shot 100 damage kill.

Right now Mastiff is a must. Its way better than an Eva8.

Its OP. Its way stronger than it should be.

And it should not work on the range its working.

It should be close range only.

You are talking about R301, but right now R99/Wingman and a Mastiff is a must every game otherwise you are playing in a disadvantage.

I don`t agree on your point. No weapon should be a MUST. And Eva8 is perfectly fine, but its like 100x time worst than a mastiff. That is the problem.

You get 8 damage with Eva8 from any distance further 5-10 meters, yet with Mastiff, you get 90 damage, 70 damage, 60 damage, and you get 52 damage from 50 meter.

The picture i post is from a distance kinda 50 meters, not 20 for sure.

And i don`t see how lower they range, almost everyone compare(about Mastiff ridiculous range) will hurt them.

They are and should be a close range weapons, not snipe them for a medium distance for big damage, and without much skill, just spam and get the damage, because of the big range.

We are talking about the Mastiff, not the R99.

@LordloshBang Well you've proven that the Mastiff is effective at a greater range than a shotgun should have. That holds very little meaning in a game where a wingman beats snipers at long range and a smg (R-99) is used as a high rate of fire assault rifle.

Even when those 50 damage shots landed the rate of fire was too low to compete with anything. It's a surprisingly high number but a joke in comparison to any gun in the game that isn't a shotgun.

If you want to compare the shotguns then isn't the Eva-8 a low skill spamming shotgun while the Mastiff takes SOME skill to use effectively? In the first video you see the player bobbing,weaving, and sliding while using the R-99 but he stands perfectly still 90% of the time he uses the Mastiff. Seems to imply that he can't land those shots on the move like he can with any other weapon.

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@heme725 wrote:

@LordloshBang Well you've proven that the Mastiff is effective at a greater range than a shotgun should have. That holds very little meaning in a game where a wingman beats snipers at long range and a smg (R-99) is used as a high rate of fire assault rifle.

Even when those 50 damage shots landed the rate of fire was too low to compete with anything. It's a surprisingly high number but a joke in comparison to any gun in the game that isn't a shotgun.

If you want to compare the shotguns then isn't the Eva-8 a low skill spamming shotgun while the Mastiff takes SOME skill to use effectively? In the first video you see the player bobbing,weaving, and sliding while using the R-99 but he stands perfectly still 90% of the time he uses the Mastiff. Seems to imply that he can't land those shots on the move like he can with any other weapon.

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With Eva8 from a distance you will get 8 damage at best, while with Mastiff you will get 52, and Mastiff have more range on his pellets.

Eva8 for me is perfectly balanced, and all other shotgun should be balanced towards her. She is good at the right distance, the damage is good, but not too high, as it should be.

Mastiff is a complete beast. And it has high movement speed during ADS, and good luck on kinda close encounters, but not as close for hipfire to even have a chance with AR with that slow MS during ADS.

With an R99 and R301 you have to aim and there is a high chance to dodge if not all, most of the bullets, you don`t have that chance even against a bad aimer with mastiff.

@LordloshBang The Eva-8 is fine but the gun is so weak that most players don't bother carrying it unless they have to. If shotguns are balanced around the Eva-8 then they might as well be removed from the game since nobody will use them.

Using the Mastiff will always mean slowing down since aiming down the sights is mandatory on that gun. There's no way to spin this. Mastiff users aren't strafing around bullets as it isn't a gun that can be used evasively. It's best used to finish off opponents, or at close range with cover to hide behind.

The problem with the mastiff is there 1 shot you at point Blank range but any Legend with low profile seems to take 12 damage unless you shoved it on their nose and can we please have melee with weapons equipped a smashing someone with the butt the of a shotgun it a legitimate combat technique

@SadLifeline6991 Really? Many on the forums argued the PK was stronger than the Mastiff before they switched positions in the care package. It was known for landing 80 damage shots at range (without choke) while the Mastiff has been shown to land 52 at best.

The PK was equally good whether hipfired or ADS so there was no need to slow down a bit when using the gun while the Mastiff requires aiming down the sights. I'm not even sure the Mastiff does more damage at point blank than pre-buff PK.

Lastly the spread should make it incredibly inconsistent. You should be able to deal damage easily but if you're slightly off then you won't deal high damage.

Here’s a good example.

https://youtu.be/0lQE8u5-a8A
From about 4:29-6:00, TGM uses the Mastiff and does terrible damage. Consistently hitting for 10-30 damage.