Mastiff too powerful at close range

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@heme725 wrote:

@LordloshBang Well you've proven that the Mastiff is effective at a greater range than a shotgun should have. That holds very little meaning in a game where a wingman beats snipers at long range and a smg (R-99) is used as a high rate of fire assault rifle.

Even when those 50 damage shots landed the rate of fire was too low to compete with anything. It's a surprisingly high number but a joke in comparison to any gun in the game that isn't a shotgun.

If you want to compare the shotguns then isn't the Eva-8 a low skill spamming shotgun while the Mastiff takes SOME skill to use effectively? In the first video you see the player bobbing,weaving, and sliding while using the R-99 but he stands perfectly still 90% of the time he uses the Mastiff. Seems to imply that he can't land those shots on the move like he can with any other weapon.

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With Eva8 from a distance you will get 8 damage at best, while with Mastiff you will get 52, and Mastiff have more range on his pellets.

Eva8 for me is perfectly balanced, and all other shotgun should be balanced towards her. She is good at the right distance, the damage is good, but not too high, as it should be.

Mastiff is a complete beast. And it has high movement speed during ADS, and good luck on kinda close encounters, but not as close for hipfire to even have a chance with AR with that slow MS during ADS.

With an R99 and R301 you have to aim and there is a high chance to dodge if not all, most of the bullets, you don`t have that chance even against a bad aimer with mastiff.

@LordloshBang The Eva-8 is fine but the gun is so weak that most players don't bother carrying it unless they have to. If shotguns are balanced around the Eva-8 then they might as well be removed from the game since nobody will use them.

Using the Mastiff will always mean slowing down since aiming down the sights is mandatory on that gun. There's no way to spin this. Mastiff users aren't strafing around bullets as it isn't a gun that can be used evasively. It's best used to finish off opponents, or at close range with cover to hide behind.

The problem with the mastiff is there 1 shot you at point Blank range but any Legend with low profile seems to take 12 damage unless you shoved it on their nose and can we please have melee with weapons equipped a smashing someone with the butt the of a shotgun it a legitimate combat technique

@SadLifeline6991 Really? Many on the forums argued the PK was stronger than the Mastiff before they switched positions in the care package. It was known for landing 80 damage shots at range (without choke) while the Mastiff has been shown to land 52 at best.

The PK was equally good whether hipfired or ADS so there was no need to slow down a bit when using the gun while the Mastiff requires aiming down the sights. I'm not even sure the Mastiff does more damage at point blank than pre-buff PK.

Lastly the spread should make it incredibly inconsistent. You should be able to deal damage easily but if you're slightly off then you won't deal high damage.

Here’s a good example.

https://youtu.be/0lQE8u5-a8A
From about 4:29-6:00, TGM uses the Mastiff and does terrible damage. Consistently hitting for 10-30 damage.

Mastiff is completely broken i don`t know how you can defend anything OP/broken and changes they are making to the game, even tho they are terrible.

But you can continue be the white horse for Respawn.

I said it many time, shootguns should be balanced towards Eva8.

PK was also incredibly strong and deserved nerf.

Many top streamers were hating on the PK(like Diegosauer) and said its broken/OP even after all the nerfs, which tells you quite a story how broken it was at the beginning.

Mastiff is now a must, and now other weapon in the game atm is a must, except the Mastiff, which tells you how brokenly OP is it.

And the main problem is how easy is to land your shots.

Its a noob friendly weapon.

@LordloshBang Every gun is easy to use except the Wingman. I assume that Mastiffis used because it feels fun to down players with and its a good clean-up gun.

Melt armor with the R-99 and finish with Mastiff.

As for the Eva-8 it's worthless long-range, trash mid-range and competitive (at best) close-range. Inferior to the R-99, R301, Havoc, Hemlock, G7, Prowler, Wingman,  Alternator, RE45,  Flatline, Spitfire and maybe the p2020.

That isn't well balanced unless you dont want shotguns to be competitive at all.

@LordloshBang I may be misunderstanding you when you say balance it like the Eva-8 so I'll ask what you want the Mastiff to be capable of.

I think Eva8 is perfectly balance towards the gun an the TTK in the game.

Mastiff is not. This is my opinion.

Shootgun should be finishing weapon, and should be useful really at close range. Every other range they should be ineffective.

Mastiff is easy to use because of the big radius of its pellet. 
You don`t even need a good aim to land most of your shots at someone.

So many times my opponent can barely land a shot on me with his SMG/AR, and then he pull out his shotgun and im dead in a shot or two.

And a lot of people with bad aim are doing great with the wingman, because of a lot of factors, like easy to spam, because of the ammo and you can waste it as much as you want, high damage and so on.

Yeah but this is not a 1vs1 game, you know ?

And unless your pro(and even they didn`t do it that often), its not that easy to down someone with 1 mag, unless it has full purple attachments, and still.

Mastiff atm is a must, and no weapon should be a must. Its way too OP for me.

You may disagree, but you won`t change my opinion. A lot of pro players admit it.

Both PK before and the Mastiff are way too strong, compare to the rest and when we take TTK of the game.

I guess this is the reason every pro players are must using Mastiff as a second weapon, instead of a second SMG or AR, right ? :D

Nice joke tho ...

No one even come close to the power of the mastiff in close, and even not so close, which is quite a problem.

Also with that stupidly OP weapon, you 1 shot a downed player, no other weapon have that power, which is ridiculous.

Maybe because at tournament, you can`t get all the loot you want, because its distributed between the players. But the moment they see a Mastiff they pick it. Don`t know what tournament you were watching. But 99,99% of the time, they are either r99 or wingman with a mastiff.

If they get a Eva8 its because they did not found Mastiff yet. Everyone drop Eva8 for Mastiff, everyone.

Saying otherwise just show how little Pro players you have been watching.

Even the best Eva8 player is dropping her for a mastiff - Rogue.

And he is usually use the weapon he like, aka R301, instead of R99 for example. He love Eva8, but even he admit that she is way worst compare to mastiff.

Same with alternator, they wear it, because they didn`t get a better version, aka R99 and R301. 99,99% of the pros are dropping alternator for R301, and R301 for R99. Its like a tier guns.

I got no problem with tier guns, but not with OP/Broken ones, like the stupidly easy to use and incredible powerful mastiff.

And its not good in close range, its a must. Its make you wear it, otherwise you are in a huge disadvantage, even if you are the better player.

No weapon beat Mastiff close range. Most pro are empty the mag with R99 or Wingman and just switch and eliminate whole teams with it, which speaks for itself.

Most streamers/pros are saying the same, that is OP. Don`t know why we even stretch the discussion that far. You may disagree, but thats your opinion, i don`t want to change it, just like you won`t change my opinion, that is completely easy to use and completely broken.

And you are obviously not objective. If you down a player and want to kill him fast(either Lifeline in his team, or wanna get ammo or armor swap ot etc), your best bet is the mastiff, its one shot. Otherwise you are in a bad situation, because you won`t be able to kill him with 1 mag, if he got a shield and rotate.

Again my points are no shootgun should be able to do more than 70 damage per whole shot, and no shootgun should have that kind of the mastiff range on such a big distance and able to do such high damage. 

I got no problem with your opinion, but you can`t change my mind. Mastiff is too powerful for the current TTK of the game.