R-99: not nearly enough spread when fired full-auto. Should never be a laser beam, especially at range, unless fired in very short bursts.Wingman: same issue it's had since release. Too much raw damage. It has fast ADS movement speed, only 'needs' 2 attachments, quick to reload, has the 'heavy ammo' benefit - it does not need to be doing that much up-front damage. There's a reason nobody picks up sniper rifles, they can just use the Wingman to poke at range instead and then use it again up close. Every player abuses the wingman to no end and has been since season 1. It's an easy-mode weapon for anybody that uses it. It's high time to stop dancing around the raw damage aspect and nerf that directly, as you have with so many other guns.Peacekeeper: exact same problem as Wingman. It should never be able to one-shot unshielded players without the pellet spread being focused on the head, let alone one-shot players *with* shields if it does hit the head. Nerfing the magazine size or reload speed or firing rate or spread will not fix that problem. The problem is the raw damage. Lower it.One should bear in mind the ridiculously quick movement this game has compared to other BRs. Having the 'close-range' weapons be so powerful, even at range, combined with that movement makes any other kind of weapon mostly irrelevant.

@xx_Dante2k_xx That's what I'm anticipating. I expect one of those guns to eventually be introduced, be good, & provide a greater sense of variety. Potentially with the next seasonI also think it'd be cool if there were Alternators w/ Disruptor rounds as GOLD floor loot. Like why not? Just keep it rare....I wish they'd be a little more creative with the gold floor loot. Alternator w/ disruptors, R301 w/ digital threat, Havoc should absolutely have a turbocharger, & ect .... I think the gold loot is another means of shifting the meta slightly, or stunting the "reign" so to speak, of powerful guns that become overused....But Respawn hasn't exactly used gold floor loot in that manner yet IMO

@Sir_NamedI've heard that before. And I think that's grossly mistaken to want that curve.Nobody should be dropping, landing on Wingman/Peacekeeper, and be instantly set to not only one/two-tap any nearby enemies at the *start* of the game (which is horrible in itself), but also be set for the *endgame* and be dominant over all other weapons.And again, I point out the mobility of the game and how these guns perfectly mesh with that mobility, don't require more than one or two attachments, and we also have been getting maps that are purposefully cluttered and segmented, entirely unlike the 'open' nature of maps like on other BR shooters.Even on a power curve, these guns are grossly disproportionate. There's a reason people stick to these guns over even the 'gold' weapons.

Alternator is fine to be honest. Wingman needs no changes, R-99 was balanced season 4. PK needs a damage nerf to 80 and a headshot multiplier of 1x at 38+ meters like all the other shotguns have in this game. PK can still get the headshot multiplier regardless of range.

@Leo_the_Lion25 The Alternator doesnt compete with the R99, it needs a buff.

It not supposed too. It's a weapon decent at the start then you swap it out. It holds attachments for R-99/R-301 etc.

R-99, Wingman, Peacekeeper need nerfs. Same since S1.

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Sir_Named
6 years ago
@TheGreenFellow Keep in mind, the devs want to have a power curve with the weapons, where some are better than others
TheGreenFellow
6 years ago
@Sir_NamedI've heard that before. And I think that's grossly mistaken to want that curve.

Nobody should be dropping, landing on Wingman/Peacekeeper, and be instantly set to not only one/two-tap any nearby enemies at the *start* of the game (which is horrible in itself), but also be set for the *endgame* and be dominant over all other weapons.

And again, I point out the mobility of the game and how these guns perfectly mesh with that mobility, don't require more than one or two attachments, and we also have been getting maps that are purposefully cluttered and segmented, entirely unlike the 'open' nature of maps like on other BR shooters.

Even on a power curve, these guns are grossly disproportionate. There's a reason people stick to these guns over even the 'gold' weapons.
xx_Dante2k_xx
6 years ago
@TheGreenFellow Just buff the Alternator and make it viable, it would give some variation to the smgs.
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@TheGreenFellow The only reason I see for people sticking to their guns over the supply drop weapons is because the supply drop weapons have limited ammo. Devotion, for instance, has a super high dps, but it only has about 3 mags in it.
I don’t know why they want the power curve, but they do. Besides, other weapons are still really viable, like the flatline and r-301. Plus, they have been adding more weapons to the meta, like L-Star and Sentinel. You can even combo the Sentinel and the Mozambique with the hop-up to get like a 2 shot kill.
Leo_the_Lion25
6 years ago
Alternator is fine to be honest. Wingman needs no changes, R-99 was balanced season 4. PK needs a damage nerf to 80 and a headshot multiplier of 1x at 38+ meters like all the other shotguns have in this game. PK can still get the headshot multiplier regardless of range.
xx_Dante2k_xx
6 years ago
@Leo_the_Lion25 The Alternator doesnt compete with the R99, it needs a buff.
Leo_the_Lion25
6 years ago
It not supposed too. It's a weapon decent at the start then you swap it out. It holds attachments for R-99/R-301 etc.
xx_Dante2k_xx
6 years ago
@Leo_the_Lion25 That's just like saying the PK is meant to be as good as it is, for late game.

You want a buff to the R301 so what's the difference in buffing the Alternator ? I think people are too glued to the R99 and would cry if it had two many weapons that would compete with it.

Put the R99 in the care package and see how much people would cry.

Also the Spitfire is balanced because of it's high mag, any more damage and it would be too good.
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@xx_Dante2k_xx The r-99 has competition right now. The L-Star and prowler are equally viable smgs
decimation92
6 years ago
The weapon balance is the best it's ever been in the game. Too many people just don't know what they're talking about. All opinions that are clearly fueled by Salt, should be disregarded. That's my suggestion to respawn Devs