Re: My findings about SBMM smurfs+main account data (PC)

@Flashshark1980Thank you.

I also noticed the skill drop in first few matches but that is only with my smurf. My main account is constantly getting the same lobbies no matter how many times i loose or how many days i didnt play with it.

My past experience was good as well, i mean look at the stats.. Before SBMM and all, when i was just in your shoes(skill based, and i had much lower k/d then you) i had the same Winrate, K/d so i dont actually see the difference of SBMM in your position. Back in the days i only saw 10k kill people stomping on me once in a day and i was always laughing about it.

 The main problem is SBMM is working all wrong with long term players, it might effect you positively but when i quit playing with my main the game is feeding those lobbies with someone else. If a lot of players like me quit playing with their mains, you will be punished by this SBMM as well. 

 I am not against SBMM, there should be some kind of MM system but this is not it. It should be more flexible and there should be varying skill levels in the lobby. Otherwise the normal lobbies are exactly same as competitive ranked lobbies which is not sustainable nor enjoyable. 

 The system is so broken that it works perfectly fine with an account that EA has less data to play with but the account that has all the 11 months old data is matched with completely wrong skill level. That is just not acceptable. Imagine this; the same guy plays the same game with the same equipment and if he has more lifetime kills on one account or playtime he is matched with completely wrong skill level. I dont get this.. 100+hours should equal both accounts in this system but they are very much different.

+ Now i cant play with an account that is worth more then 600euros. I have to play with a free account with 0 buy ins + 0 skins and i dont really enjoy this. I am not gonna pay another 600 to my smurf for sure! But i feel robbed of my main account and i feel stupid for paying this game any money because of what is going on.

@Flashshark1980 Thank you! In my experience, after 11 months and the data i have about my account i dont think SBMM is doing any good for you. My Season 1 data which is not shown (or i couldnt see it) is %10 Winrate 0,5 K/d (Max). There was no SBMM back in the days and i was bumping into walls when i was trying to turn a corner lol. So you got lower Wr and higher K/d then i had with SBMM which is very unusual to say it is an improvement. The only thing that can cause this is there were more noobs and new players in the game but i had 0 exp with FPS games(on console as well).

 Also in Season 2 i have exactly the same data that you have! So when i think about this; i think they were tinkering with this SBMM waaaay before it was discovered publicly but they added some very wrong data for it and it completely destroyed the game for some people. 

 Otherwise how can i have the same data as you have without SBMM and with a lot more TTV boiz were playing this game back then? (+ i was playing with a stupid laptop with 30-45fps, a stupid 5$ mouse with terrible display. Now i have decent rig.)

 I feel like my first games are a lot easier as well but only on my smurf. With my main, whatever i do, how many times i loose the game or die in 30 sec doesnt effect what lobby i am in. I always get extra cautios , coordinated and skilled players with it. I still can play it if i have a constant team and try hardcore but why should i? I want to solo que, have good funny stream, play with my handful of viewers :D

 Okay let me explain the fail this way. Imagine this; 1 person is playing this game for a year at some point he starts switching accounts. The same person, the same computer, the same connection, the same conditions and 1 account is fed to ultra coordinated crazy lobbies, the other account he is matched perfectly. The only difference is 1 account has more played time and more lifetime kills. The funny part is the new account has better K/d and Winrate. This new account has 112 hours played, so it should have sent both accounts to the same lobbies right? 

 So after seeing this i feel like i spent 600euro for nothing in my main account and i feel like an idiot for doing so ( btw this is the first time i spent any money for in game purchases, imagine how much i loved the game when i was the noobest player you can find in this game. ). Now i cant play with my main because of matchmaking and my smurf account works perfectly but now i cant use my skins and i am not gonna pay another 600 euro on it. 

The thing is MM got much much better for me with SBMM.

Before I had 3 wins per week, now I can get 2 per day and for sure my play / aiming / accuracy hasnt improved...

I feel well placed in SBMM, but they really should tell us how they calculate and how flexible the level can change.

Other threads say a smurf account is on the right level in 12 matches...

But why can't an old account go down in skill to the right level?

Is there no leveling down?

Leveling down is one of the most important things in a  flexible MM!

If I am tired after a long work day I play worse than on sunday morning!

I want to be calculated to the right level in maximum 5-10 matches...

Flexibility should be the most important difference to ranked MM.

There you can't level down and you get trapped at your maximum level.

Actually this automatically makes playing ranked obsolete after some time!

But thats the goal of ranked... so SBMM should be ifferent to this!

So in your first post you said your smurf had 1k kills and 2,3 K/D.

With a winrate of 10% and 40 wins, this are about 400 matches.

So 1k kills with 2,3 K/D pretty much matches this (calculated 920 kills in 400 matches).

2 weeks ago you said, you have 1016 kills, 2,16 K/D.

With about 570 games, your kills per match have dropped to 1,8.

But your K/D still is pretty stable, so you dont die much more.

It's seems you just do less damage or the enemy has better evasion (didnt the armor values change?)

So my stats have changed to

625 matches -> 880

WR of 6,72% -> 6,0%

K/D of 0,74 -> 0,76

Got 39% top5 placement -> 37%

332 damage per match -> 327

My damage is pretty much the same, my K/D has a tiny improvement, but I am loosing more matches.
So I am the same as before, but maybe something arround me has changed...
My feeling is that I was paired with worse players in my team.

But thats hard to proof...

@Flashshark1980 okay let me update my smurf again;

Lvl:139

Kills: 1787

K/d: 2,16

Avg Damage: 590

Lifetime games: 944

Wins: 100

top 5: 299

Rank: Plat 1

 After a big row of looses i am back in my lobbies where i belong. What i realised during this time is if a predator friend joins my party we go to crazy streamer lobbies which was expected but what i didnt expect was when he leaves i still go into those lobbies for 20 or so matches., that basically destroys my 20 games for good.

 This smurf account is still perfectly placed in SBMM while my main account is still unplayable. No matter how many games i loose and die in first 5 seconds, nothing changed. So the difference between my main and smurf is still lifetime kills, playtime, rank in ranked lobbies. So if those are the only stats that matters its nothing about the skill you have. If i play more i will catch my main with the kills as well how can this work out ? I mean if its SBMM it should have thrown my smurf to crazy lobbies? but no, my main suffers, i suffer and my smurf is still in my own level which is unaccaptable!

Really interresting!

Your K/D is stable and winrate is still at nearly 10%.

Damage is stable...

If they really take lifetime kills/matches//playtime as a factor, of course SBMM can't work for long time pro players.

Those numbers have nothing to do with skill...

But it seems like that, because many long time pro players complain about SBMM....

Well, but we will never now for sure...

@Flashshark1980Another interesting data is from my friend. He only played first season which didnt have ranked system, his k/d is around 2,6 he came back after 8 months or something and he is thrown into predator lobbies as well! I am %100 sure about the data i gathered and i also stream so the evidence is there for sure (even though it is not in English, you can easily see both account datas and lobby differences if you dig up.)

I am not a pro player, i just play a lot and that shouldnt be the reason of being thrown into lobbies full of 5+ k/d players.. 1,60 k/d main account is on pro lobbies, 2,17k/d smurf with 1,78k kills is in normal lobbies so what is going on? At this point i assume there is only 2 kind of lobbies (1 nearly everyone is pro + above average players, 1 with lesser skilled players).

Yeah as you stated, bad part is we will never know because they will never explain the system but i hope they fix it in season 4. Otherwise i will just quit the game rather then playing full time with my smurf.

Edit: Oh i forgot this; if we 3 stack about the same data people, i still go to the same lobbies. Nothing changes if we 3 stack or solo que.

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