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sireladio
Rising Adventurer
5 years ago

Re: Stop favoring controller players.

@E9ine_AC Wait you mean to tell me people who use scripts aint pros?

Lets ignore the fact most pc players have advanced movement and can use scripts easily. Lets not forget even bhop on pc is as simple as flicking a mouse wheel but on console requires inhuman timing.

I just love how this is even a debate to people. If console/controller was so powerful every pro would use it. The fact that you dony see pro players using controller and many ex high level controller players who had to switch to mouse and keyboard to stay at that level.

Aim assist isnt some amazing cheat. It just slows your aim slightly when you are aiming at some one or pass some one. It doesnt snap onto targets and if you dont have good aim doesnt magically compensate.
This isnt fortnite. Aim assist on apex is minimal and honestly if you turn it off and practice without it you tend to do better as aim assist in apex often tends to hurt higher level players

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  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @sireladio No scripts they use a device that plugs directly into the pc or console. Which a lot have plug and play already set settings. To remove recoil to grant rapid fire to grant aim assist to players who should not see it.

    I think you fail to understand aim assist should NEVER be on pc with mouse and keyboard. Aim assist also rumored to be 40% on pc and 60% if on console. This has been a topic spoken on a lot now. So to say its minimal is laughable. I suggest doing your home work before trying belittle people thinking you know more or better.
  • sireladio's avatar
    sireladio
    Rising Adventurer
    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC You are talking about something like a Xim. This is a third party piece of item made specifically to dupe a console or pc into thinking your using a controller.

    What you fail to understand is how a xim works. Firstly it reduces control with a mouse and keyboard as you are restricted to movement of a controller as that is all the item can process.

    Second is there is no recoil reduction on console unless you are using settings on a xim or scripts to cheat.

    What the issue is you are trying to use a small percentage of people cheating and yes that is what it is cheating. As an excuse to why aim assist shouldn't exist.

    Your whole ideology is flawed and based on a specific part of the player base while ignoring the other 99%. To balance a game properly you have to use the worst players and the best and find the middle ground. Making a game work only for the best of the best kills a game we seen this in overwatch. Making a game just for the worst is also bad .


    So please do your own research as you obviously using the pc cry baby section to do yours and not any real research.

    Keep crying because a controller player can slap you in game because your to egotistical to learn from your mistakes.
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @sireladio

    https://community.xim.tech/index.php?topic=71919.30#:~:text=Besides%2C%20all%20RF%20does%20is,place%20to%20achieve%20the%20same.

    How to ZERO or reduce recoil. From Ximforums them self. Do not try to tell me to do my own research. I been coding and programming for very very long time now. I know exactly what these do. They even have anti recoil videos all over youtube for xim.... But you seem to know it all and have done zero home work your self.

    No one is crying here we are allowed to voice our opinions without you thinking you are better then someone. I dont need to learn from my mistake i have quite a lot games under my belt nor am i worried about anyone.

    Try to explain things without being a tool it may help you in long run and out side the video gaming world.

  • sireladio's avatar
    sireladio
    Rising Adventurer
    5 years ago

    @E9ine_ACSo your whole arguement against aim assist is based on a tool being used by maybe 1% of people if even that.

    See this is the exact reason we class it as crying as your opinion is based on an opinion not reality.

    Let us ignore xim as that is a small percentage that is no different from cheating. Aim assist however isnt part of this so lets base this arguement on that.

    The reason you want to push the xim arguemwnt so much as this is the only way you can show any evidence of an advantage with controller. Well not controller as most xim players use a mouse and keyboard pretending to be a controller so again it invalidates your arguement.

    If aim assist was so over powered every pro would be using a controller. They are not and no pro player is going to sit here and side with you.

    Using something that amounts to cheating as an excuse to why something is broken is ridiculous. So we should ban MnK as you can run scripts, cheats, and glitch easier. Your whole argument just has nothing to stand on.


    So actually do your research ans show evidence that aim assist in apex legends gives an unfair advantage when compares to mouse and keyboard using nothing but data based on legit players.

    Wait you cant because the data doesn't agree with you

  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @sireladioI also am not sure why you think we are just some scrubs on the internet who have no experience in this game? I am at going on 15 thousand games played. 27 kills 5400 damage is my max. I am not some scrub crying. I am a player expressing my thoughts on something that is widely open sourced information.

    Also if going by Stats take a look at post Gun Recoil. As well as all the others not on this post that is one largest commented player made posts on these forums. Or the other posts of simular subjects on this very topic? 

    Your stats are made up in your head not actual number percentage but what you think it is. These forums prove you to be very wrong on this subject whem comes to these third party applications. 

  • sireladio's avatar
    sireladio
    Rising Adventurer
    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC Forum shows about 0.0001% player base complaining so it doesnt really show im wrong.

    Now to your stats. What stats are we talking about?
    Are we talking about recoil or are we talking abouy overall accuracy?

    When you refuse to take into account you can easily control recoil on pc but on a console its near impossible without being top tier.
    When you refuse to take into account
    move while looting
    armor swap in .5 seconds
    air strafe
    zipline juggle
    slide jump easily
    bhop around the map
    play on a sens 5x higher
    track easier
    Flick shot
    wall bounce

    Then you are honestly delusional if you think controller has an advantage. If you think its so powerful use it. But you wont do that because you all know MnK is better
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago
    @sireladio Everything you just named pc can do better i literally watch Daltoosh and SoarKobi do every single thing you just named on controller with ease.

    You saying these controller users are not top tier? Daltoosh is top 50 in the world pred on controller. Doing everything us pc users can other then minor strafing while looting that for what ever reason controller players think is game changing. I literally offers nothing to us on pc. You are still are easily shot its literally minimal strafing.

    The armor swap and box looting i can understand there is a huge difference there but again i watch pros with controller do it super fast as if it is not hard at all.

    Their flick shots are just as insane if not better due to aim assist. Wall jumps i watch them do every single day. Zipline juggle also they do this. Almost everything you named is done on pc and controller other then very fasting looting methods.

    I am talking about 3rd devices that have to assist players to be where they are now. While us who play legit just sit back and wonder how and why these devices are allowed. We just want fair game play. Playing against controller is perfectly fine. But when you can plug in a flash drive and grant mouse and keyboard aim assist then thats where my problem is. Aim assist it self bothers me none. Its players who abuse a device to grant something the hardware would not or should not see.
  • sireladio's avatar
    sireladio
    Rising Adventurer
    5 years ago
    @E9ine_AC its actually funny how you used Daltoosh. Considering he is the one that posted most of them items you obviously delusional
    https://twitter.com/daltoosh/status/1228060940425453573?s=20

    Atleast if you going to try and talk do so with out using the exact guy who I quoted and clearly doesnt agree with you.

    Actually so funny when you fall straight into a lie that can easily be debunked.


    Now to this point of XIM or third party tools.
    You can not based an opinion on a small percentage of cheaters. It just doesnt work and makes no sense. Otherwise we need to remove MnK as there are 1000000s of them using scripts.

    Finally.
    As stated I agree people who use third party tools to gain any advantage should be banned as cheating. But no one is disagreeing with you on that.
    This thread was a complaint about controller players being given an advantage and being favoured. You have taken it off that point into a thread about cheaters.


    If we go back to the main topic like I have pushed since the start. A legit controller player has NO advantage over MnK player
  • E9ine_AC's avatar
    E9ine_AC
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    5 years ago

    @sireladioWell Strike Packs are indeed being allowed. Rapid Fire Recoil reduction or removal latest strike pack packages even claim they can do every one of these things. I believe this is where most the complaints for controllers comes from. The device being sold clearly states all the mods it adds. Me personally i dont care i just dont want to see aim assist on mouse and keyboard.

  • FaIIenAngeI777's avatar
    FaIIenAngeI777
    5 years ago

    This thread is a joke, mouse and key players have advanced movement techniques, loot box strafing, far better aim at mid-long range, faster response time, and many other advantages while the only advantage on a controller is close range and even then thats mainly with smgs like the R-99 and Volt, somedays I log on and I do great but most of the time I mag an entire clip and only hit 1-2 bullets if im lucky XD but thats just me somedays I just wake up and can’t play the game like today Im playing rogue company for the xmas event and i cant even get a single kill when I usually get 5-10 with no problem aim assist isn’t the issue because it still requires alot of player imput to hit your shots, counter recoils, etc 

    This is coming from a pc controller player with 40% aim assist rather than the 60% aim assist for console players, ive played for about 2500+ hours between origin and steam. i do admit somedays if I go into the firing range and practice awhile before going into pubs the aim assist feels strong because I practiced before hand but just logging on and going into pubs without practicing will just result in death after death and loss after loss until either I start trying to play like a sweat or get decent randoms for the dub aim assist is not the same as aimbot

  • Zamaha400's avatar
    Zamaha400
    5 years ago

    @sireladio I want to agree with you but you're coming off way too aggressive. This is basically a fight making it too hard to focus on tge points made.

  • audiofilomx's avatar
    audiofilomx
    5 years ago
    @FaIIenAngeI777 Controller players don't know how their aim assist works, the crosshair tries to stay on target (aim assist code: Pc_magnet, ads_pull) that mechanic gives a lot of accuracy to controller players, have 0ms response to enemies movement, so on controller you don't need to predict movement if someone is straifing, another thing that you aren't considering is that above 90% of the fights are at close range, you just don't kill everyone at mid and long range, with all that in mind, controller will have the advantage the majority of the time, moving while looting is completely secondary, and try to use it like an argument its a joke, movement on controller its almost as good as M/K if you're good, so your "advantages" are almost useless because you all are forgetting that this is a FPS, and wins the one with better aim.
  • FaIIenAngeI777's avatar
    FaIIenAngeI777
    5 years ago

    @audiofilomx‘’Controller players don’t know how their aim assist works’’ right from the start you are spitting out nonsence...

    The problem isn’t the controller players (who play with a controller every single day) its the mouse and keyboard players who have absolutely no idea how a controller works and cries out that its aimbot, most of yall havn’t used a controller on apex legends a day in your life and know absolutely nothing... I believe I know how my aim assist works considering Ive played since season 1

    It dosn’t automatically follow strafe patterns for you... this isn’t grand theft auto 5 or FarCry where controllers literally have aimbot... on apex legends and other games like fortnite,rogue company,warzone, etc you actually have to try and aim with the controller it doesn’t just magically do it all for you

    I see what your saying about close range early and late game but on Olympus especially most gunfights are mid-long range and Im constantly getting sniped and no scoped by mnk players and can’t really do much to fight back because I can’t snipe to save my life with joysticks but ive played on mouse and keyboard a few times and its so much easier to hit those precise shots with a sniper while on a controller its so hard to get that perfect sensitivity its always too far or not enough atleast in my case... I can watch backoffmyjankz snipe constantly lol

  • audiofilomx's avatar
    audiofilomx
    5 years ago
    @FaIIenAngeI777 I played on controller since i was a kid, i used to play on xbox then switch to PC 2 years ago, apex 's aim assist is insane, you can't feel it anymore because you're so use to it, try to play without it, then turn it on again, you will feel how pulls your aim towards enemies and how reacts to their movement, it's not just a simple slowdown, if it was just that, m/k players shouldn't have any problems, because we should do just an insane straifing and that would totally mess with the sticks because of their limited accuracy, but no, even if you're straifing so hard, you will be lasered with perfect aim, even top 500 m/k players will miss some shots if the enemy is moving so fast, above average controller players don't miss. And if a "just fine" controller player can match and even surpass the aim of a top 500 with half the effort, it's a problem.
  • Zamaha400's avatar
    Zamaha400
    5 years ago

    @audiofilomx You could be right about controller players being too used to aim assist to notice it but the rest of your statement is what makes controller players dismiss you. 

    We've gone up against other controller players and there were MANY missed shots so we have no clue what you're talking about. It's easier for us to fight close ranged than at a distance but most of us dont magically land every shot even with aim assist.

  • audiofilomx's avatar
    audiofilomx
    5 years ago
    @Zamaha400 everyone have their own servers because of SBMM, i play on PC So only controller players with a lot of confidence join the crossplay experience, and i have a K/D between 3 and 4 every season[master/pred for 2 seasons], so the quality of controller players on my lobbies is above the average, all of them are between level 50 to 300, not even lvl500, but all of them will one clip you, or land above 150+ like nothing very very consistently, not even top m/k players are that hard to deal with, my pubs are harder than my pred/master ranks, only because above half the lobby is filled with controller players.

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