Re: The game is too slow

@BETELX6 

If you feel 14+ minutes is too long, then this isn't the game you want to play.

Generally speaking, a video game can only cater to a few emotive aesthetics, perhaps 4 or 5 at best. BR is a natural for exploration, which by its very nature is best left to lengthier periods of play.

@MrGreenWithAGun  You can definitely get good loot in that duration, especially with the loot box resets. As i've said, i love this game's concept and started playing in season zero. The current speed leaves to much room for camping, wandering, 3rd parties, and suffering garbage competitive teammates who kill themselves because they're too impatient to play carefully and strive for points.

This game is currently better causally but competitively, tactical shooters are better.

@MrGreenWithAGun As ive said, i love the concept of Apex. I started playing this game season 0, but i've gotten bored of the things that make the game less enjoyable competitively. Too much camping, wandering, and on top of that 3rd parites and bad ranked teammates. I've heard from many that its not a game in a good competitive and casual state, but its definitely better casually. I play many types of competitive games from TCGs, Tact shooters, fighters,  but Apex is still the only BR i would like to play but longer matches are not worth the design of them game, especially when there's more enjoyable longer competitive games.

@reconzero You are greatly overexaggerating how this would affect where you land. People have already tested that walking across kings canyon takes 7 minutes. Also dropping hot is does not magically make you unable to loot, you can just leave the area after you're done being there or survive the chaos. I feel like you're playing this game too slow. Even before bin resets, i didn't feel like end game loot was bad and i dont mind maxing out the last players, i think its cool.

Camping is nowhere near chess. Camping is the easiest and laziest way to play shooters since the beginning of FPS. It's literally the "i want to play the game, but not really" strategy. Chess is methodical, calculated, and requires many years to master. Camping when you're a defense character is understandable but at the final ring, everyone has to move anyway. I hate the periods when nothing is happening, because this game is just not complex, like chess and TCGs. You loot up, choose your fights, try to avoid 3rd parties, and try to hold the best places in the ring.

@BETELX6 

If you don’t see how camping is like a strategic chess move then you don’t understand the concept of positioning your pieces.

@Zulkiers This is a very unique view that iv'e never heard before Unfortunately for you they would never do this. Apex from its conception was to be EAs casual and competitive BR because battle royals were the most popular thing at the time, but it was never meant to be a game that would last past 25 minutes. The art is cool but most people dont care about it to your degree, especially players like me that turn our graphics settings to dirt quality to make are gameplay as smooth as possible. Making royal an hour long or more would kill the game. People aren't here to be in a match for that long. If you want to admire the map then just land at different places every match. The Devs bottom line is not map art, its to continue making money and keeping people playing, because this is a free game. If you want a crazy long BR then you should make one that cost a flat price, because most people donr want to walk around for sn hour.

@MrGreenWithAGun As i said, defense characters camping is understandable and camping itself is needed for keeping a position, but everyone has to push eventually in a battle royale

@Zulkiers I never said 30 seconds. My inventory is near full until final circle, so i dont have problems with looting. Tanks have a perk that lets them find the next ring early so i dont know how you dont have time to fortify. Also you can't both search for loot and camp. The game is about forcing rotations through ring changes no matter someones play style. Setting up defense util takes seconds in fps games and the game lets you pick them up, this isn't clash royale lol

@reconzero
I'd say the best game would have 10 rings.
That would give you plenty of time to move, and you wouldn't be guaranteed death in almost every first ring.
You could look for easter eggs, make sure you got all the loot and attachments from the area that you need, mark locations of extra stuff you might need later, fortify if you can, etc.
@BETELX6Games are always about art, not about killing your playerbase as often as possible. Art isn't just design, but story. Most players want the lore. Games like this do lore via easter eggs. Look around the map for lore bits. Little nessies and whatnot.
Have you ever picked up a nessie from Antenna on Storm Point? Have you ever won with a nessie in your inventory? You should try it sometime.

I hate when I win due to the ring. I've had a few matches where the ring came in so fast that the entire lobby died except for my squad, who was in the ring from landing. We set up and never saw anyone. They all got trapped on the other side of the mountain and we won by default, because the ring eliminated everyone.
And that was BEFORE the timer got reduced.
Although my latest matches have wound up being the ring's on the opposite side of the map. Sorry guys, no time to loot. We're gonna get killed by the ring. As we sprint as fast as we can, a couple pick up a gun or a grenade, but we only get halfway to the ring and we're already engulfed, burned, and out of the 3 stacks of syringes and 2 stacks of medpacks and pheonix kit we picked up along the way.
Seriously. If you land on the edge, and the ring spawns on the other side of the map, you're guaranteed to die. Very poor ring mechanics.
It moves faster than skydive speeds. It moves faster than a trident.
There need to be more rings so the ring isn't instantly killing everyone in the first ring. It should never move faster than people can move on a map. In most cases, that means sprinting. In some cases, that means skydive or trident speed. The ring should always be slower than skydive, never outpacing it. Game's no fun when you're always being eaten by the ring.

@reconzero

"Walking across King's takes seven minutes. "

Is that walking, running, or running with zip lines?

@reconzero I genuinely didn't know about any controversy S14 had. I was just playing the game as usual. I did look up the reddit on it and you're right. I would just want the game to be faster but not that fast. My teammates are already enough of a drag, to the point I'm playing this game like its metal gear to respawn my teammates, but when there's no nearby unguarded crafters of respawns, i might as well just leave the game. I'm far from a COD player but there's to much free time in matches with a low to medium enjoyment level.

@Zulkiers If you like game art so much, I'm surprised you aren't a single-player-game focused person where art is the objective. Of all my years in Apex and playing with friends we never cared about lore or easter eggs, we just wanted a cool overwatch battle royal session. Art is cool as there's some single and multiplayer games i play because i love the lore, concept, or music, but Apex isn't one. it's just a neat BR i want to play competitively, but map art and lore don't sell skins and battle passes, cosmetic creativity and enjoyable gameplay do like with every competitive multiplayer game story isn't advertised.The story and secrets is for people who want to go deep like an ice berg video. Titan Fall is a great game and some Apex players wanted a Titan Fall 3 over playing Apex, but amazing lore isn't going to sell Titan Fall, cool COD/big robot battling gaming will. Enjoying lore/art in multiplayer shooters has always been a niche to people who want some fun. 

Iv'e only had a few games from a ring win, and it's just funny to me. I don't think I've even lost to the final squad from the ring. Iv'e abandoned my teammates so the ring doesn't kill me. It's just something you must obey or lose and I've never played the game and wished the ring was weaker so i could loot, i just played the game fast and tried to always know where i want to go on the map.

I played Waston. The fences are as easy as double-clicking your mouse and the game gives Waston the ability to stack ultimate accelerants and they instantly charge her ult. I used a ring console a game ago, and 2 the next because i just land and go to places where they're at because they're marked on the map, just like what i do when i play survey beacon and supply bin characters. Defense characters are to control areas by punishing people who try to enter them, not trapping them like rats. Playing Waston is picking up and setting up as many fences as fast as you can, and the pickup range is amazing for it. Caustics ult literally gives you a gigantic gas cloud to control space and his traps do it also. Catalyst could have more util but controlling what entryways enemies are allowed to go is still useful and her wall punishes people who go through it.

Above you can see that match.

Actually, I don't recall backup atmo at that time. Perhaps the old map is right. It really was a long time ago. I was missing half the legends.