separate controller and m+kb queue

@r1ggedgame
The answer is in your very sentence. TOP players. Of course it's working out for them. They're the best of the best switching devices isn't going to hinder them for very long, if at all.
Stop comparing every controller player you come across to a top player.

You keep talking about how the pros play, but how about you? What's your experience with a controller?

I'd much rather hear an explanation based off your own personal experience as to why aim assist on controller is so op instead of what the pros are saying.

Because the fact is, I'm not the best player in apex, which is probably why aim assist doesn't work out well for me, but I have yet to see a controller player admit to aim assist being too op, and they can't all be as bad as me. 

So if you're not a pro on controller and still thinks aim assist is too op, please share why that is, cause maybe then I'll actually understand why pc players complain about it so much.

@r1ggedgame that’s your problem, you’re going off of what pros say. But here’s the thing man, none of us are pros. Let me explain; if you have 2 extremely skilled players who have all the mechanics of apex down, and they 1v1, one using controller and one using MnK, I can see how the controller user might have the upper hand due to AA. But the thing is, most people crying over AA, ARE NOT PRO PLAYERS. You have Joe Bob over here who cant control recoil and has terrible situational awareness, getting beamed by competent players and then gets mad and blames it on AA. That’s the case for 90% of people crying over AA. They see hal switching and think “oh if hal switches that MUST mean AA is op, no wonder I’m losing my fights” but if they took the time to get better, They’d notice they’re win rate will go up and the whole Aim assist thing really isn’t as big of a problem as they’re making it out to be.

@reerex @XxColdFangxX The fact that mostly pros profit off it, doesnt mean that the advantage isnt there for anyone else.
Maybe you guys do something wrong on the sticks, i cant tell. But the data is speaking a clear language.

You can argue as much as you want, but you making a fool out of yourself saying its not there.
You guys always trying to divert the discussion, but my statement is : AA is overpowered in close combat situations, im not talking aimbot im not talking movement im not talking any other stuff you guys always try to carry into the discussion. Stop using the strawman. And in the end, you will see its getting buffed 

@r1ggedgameDo
Dude I've been playing on controller most of my life.
I know how aim assist feels in different games and how it feels in Apex.
Again, talking about the pros. Weren't you the one calling people broken records for using the same points?

I'm not saying aim assist is not there. I'm saying it doesn't work as well as everyone keeps making it out to be, if it did, I and a majority of people like me, wouldn't have the issues we have and we'd be a lot better than we really are. 

There's controller players with more experience than I have that make the same arguments, or is their personal experience and my personal experience not valid to you because we don't stream and aren't the top players?

If you can't give any sort of explanation other than what other people are saying and doing, then you really have no sort of argument.
The fact that other controller players say pretty much the exact same thing says it all and you STILL stand by what someone else is saying and doing.
Yet you want to say I'm the fool for my own personal experience, when you can't even give me an explanation based off your own?
Lol. Don't even bother. QED.

@XxColdFangxXi gave an explample with the visual clutter, in the 30K matches i did, i experienced a lot of WTF moments in exactly those situations. Spectating the players afterwards just made me scratch my head numerous times, bcs the aim was simply not there, but somehow they managed to hit me perfectly in those close combat situations. Recoil doesnt really matter at that distance, so a Strike Pack cant be responsible for this.
Youll see, they will buff it ... its just a matter of time as with everything Respawn, just look at the MM situation ... i called it over a year ago, ppl played it down, then it started to affect them too and now Respawn finally wants to change it. 

@r1ggedgameYou’re not getting it. I’m not saying the advantage of AA doesn’t exist, I’m saying the AA “problem” isn’t as big a deal as ppl make it out to be. There are so many factors to consider in a gunfight, I can guarantee you AA is the last thing killing the controller cry babies. Just because the advantage is there doesn’t mean every controller player capitalizes on it. Even in your case. You’re so fixated on AA being “op” that you quickly jump to that conclusion instead of re-evaluating yourself and what you did wrong as a player. Even in close combat, there’s still a lot of factors other than “who can aim better” but whatever. You’re clearly stuck on what pro players have to say, even though you will never attain that level of skill. Keep blaming AA, and stay stuck at the level you’re at. Have a good one friend

@reerexit will be buffed for excatly the reasons i told. just wait and see.
Respawn has a way of handling things when they think something is not balanced they way they want it to.
Happens with Chars getting buffed and nerved only to make them more attractive to get the usage numbers to where they want it to be.
When more Players turn from MnK to Controller they def. will act. 

What you both dont want to realize or just overread all the time, i said not everyone will/can make use of it due to their style of play, but that doesnt mean its not overpowered in certain situations. People will learn to use it like the Pro Players do and this will be the point where it gets buffed.
And btw, who else but a pro player can actually make an educated statement about this ? They are literally the experts and up there they compete on eye-level, which makes it easier to spot an advantage, especially the ones that compete with both input types ...