Evo Armor updates

@apostolateofDOOM  OK bud, let's try being a bit more productive here then.

What is the ideal system for you? How would it operate and balance out?

@MandatoryIDtagMake white 50 hp. Give people the choice of evo or not. Change red from 125 to a perk like gold.

Relying on dead players for crap armour swapping to deal with 3rd parties is worse than before and we need something to counter that, not take it away. Or promoting this campy sniper, to risky to push meta in a game with movement being so important and previously enjoyed.

I find it very problematic that they are admitting that “good players” shouldn’t be winning fights if a team has more advantageous positioning.

Camping on height should NOT be the skill ceiling metric used to measure success. Camping should have counters; there is no fairer counter to a camping team than a players own individual aiming skill. They just literally admitted that they want skilled players to die to lesser skilled players who happen to be holding a building down. 

At this point I almost feel like the devs are resentful of “skilled player”. I absolutely understand that it’s important to keep lower skilled players happy, but they gotta drop this notion that the average or above average player’s experience matters less.

@apostolateofDOOM  Is it really that big an issue if the values have been reset to pre s6 though? As that will mean the damage to upgrade one will be reverted too which is basically nothing.

I think I'm just gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on this one mate, we're not going to see eye to eye on this subject. :D

@MandatoryIDtag they wanted to make early game easier for players by gifting them an empty body shield that not only required you to damage an opponent (dangerous considering you have no shield) and needed a shield cell in order to start working (which we've all been screwed by RNG before regardless of whether you hot-drop or not, sometimes you just can't find one.). It was ineffective, and reduced TTK only made early game much harder to get out of due to less protection. 

A more effective change would've been to give everyone a level 1 EVO shield (25 health) requiring 50 damage to level up (25 --> 50), while simultaneously removing white EVO shields from the loot-pool entirely. That strikes at 2 problems people have complained about, which are an overcrowded loot-pool and being screwed by RNG on drop. Another way to strike at the latter for easier early game would've been to give everyone a P2020 and 20 bullets, and then remove P2020 from loot pool entirely again. 

Edit: "BuT ThATs JuSt LiKE WarZONE", indeed, which eases players into finding better weapons and ammo by giving them armor off the bat, and a weapon which helps players contest early-game loot. The greatest innovation is stealing someone else's idea. 

@MandatoryIDtagTime it takes to charge, promoting camping, giving noobs easier kills on drop, not having the choice.. If you think these are positive for Apex then i guess so.

EA_David

"From the start of Apex Legends development, one of our core pillars was that getting the drop on someone should give those players a significant advantage. We aimed to promote strategy in battlefield positioning and map control. When these tactics were executed well, but a team still outplayed you because of mechanical skill - this felt bad. In Seasons 1 - 5, we felt this balance was achieved pretty well. "

I`m sorry but, the DEVS mess up, and now they are trying to clean their mess, but i don`t see it happen.

To try such a big, and complete change in a game, that is out there for more than a year and a half is very bad. And this is a change, no one, and i mean no one ask for it.

So you got no excuses to experiment with this one.

Same with the Energy Weapon meta and that you pretty much try to introduce camping meta, not only on competitive scene, but on the normal and ranked scene as well. Ranked is terrible actually.

Why would i want to play a fast paced shooter, by camping ? This is the worst thing in the world.

I agree with their statement that when a team get knocked, they should get significant advantage. But lowering the TTK is not the case. And you pretty much contradict to yourself. 

Why then you are making a complete game changing ability like the Auto-Revive that pretty much punish the better team that gets a knock ? There is pretty much no sense in that. Your increasing the fight in the very wrong way, and you pretty much does not reward the better player/s.

By strategy you pretty much mean camping, because its pretty much this, unless your playing competitive. Your words for strategy and positioning is pretty much camp at a good high spot with Rampart, and/or gatekeeping at the edge of the zone ... All annoying and bad things in a fast paced game like Apex Legends.

Main reason people were choosing Apex over Warzone was this, that the game was not going around on sitting on the building and waiting to shoot someone from 50-100+ meters completely on safe, and to have so much empty time doing nothing.
Some casuals loves this, because they think they are good, killing someone that doesn`t even know where are they, but you will never ever improve that way, and you will always be a bang average player.

All of the all time best players were Path/Wraith because they play insanely aggressive and thats how they improve their movement, their aim, their game sense, and get better.

Trying to limit me is all but wrong.

And the last statement that you try to prioritize strategy/positioning over mechanical skills is wrong on all level. Sorry but to develop top level mechanical skills take so, so much time, so your skill level should not be penalized, quite the opposite, you should reward this skills.

Also outplaying your opponent is pretty much getting a better positioning and strategy, and to be able to get advantage over them.

Strategy/positioning was always a factor, but just because some low tier players couldn`t capitalize on them, its not our/your problem.

Its not a skill to drop on 100% safe spot, to get loot for 15 minute, sit somewhere at the middle of the zone on a big roof/building and camp/shooting.

Let me get back at the Energy Weapon, i`m sorry but i just don`t like using them, and right you are in a huge disadvantage if not using them. A total mess. I just can`t get the feeling by playing them, compare to the rest. Does not see the skill level needed.

P.P. Just one last thing i forget about the EVO armor. It was a high risk > reward choice. Now you pretty much take that choice from me, which is bad. You were in a disadvantage with the EVO, until you level it to the purple, which could pretty much killed you in a lot of situation, because you decide to play on 1 bar shield, instead of 2/3/4.

Also you pretty much got to do it early. For me it was perfectly balanced, even in the ranked/pro competitive. Pretty much 1 player of the team was getting EVO and try it to level it.

If at the end of the game the whole team got an Evo Shield, that mean they deserve it, because they have fought a lot of battles, kills a lot of squads and take their EVO, so they deserve to have a bit of advantage(you could pretty much outplay a Evo shield user if your better). 

The positive thing is, you understand that this was a very bad decision and your losing your player base and act kinda fast to fix this it. So gratitude for this.

@apostolateofDOOM Camping has been prevelant since s2.

Shields take a couple of seconds to charge regardless of whether its evo or a normal shield..the issue there is clunky switch outs which is what you would do rather than sit there popping cells or a bat.

As for giving noobs easier kills...the volt is single handedly responsible for that as far as i'm concerned. 

It's pretty bad you didn't address the footsteps sound issue. In this season it's gotten worse.

I think it's more urgent than the armor changes.