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Neil_Enbob's avatar
7 years ago

How do you feel about the new hop-ups?

I'm personally not a fan of the Alternator, P2020 hop-ups. One of the things I love most about Apex is the fairly long time to kill. After the update, Apex feels more along the lines of a generic twitch shooter, because the Alternator, P2020 combo drop you so fast. They're overpowered, it's a shame. Apex doesn't feel balanced.

You know something is wrong when a fully kitted Alternator, P2020 can drop you faster than a gold care package weapon. Decreasing the time to kill also has a negative effect on the netcode and makes it feel even worse. The majority of competitive twitch shooters run 60Hz tick rate, above servers. Apex is using 20Hz tick rate servers.

I believe the disruptor round, hammerpoint round hop-ups need a serious nerf, for the good of the game. I don't enjoy the current meta, feels like you can't outstrafe your opponents when they're using the overpowered Alternator, P2020 combo. The gunfight is over too fast.

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  • SixthOTD's avatar
    SixthOTD
    7 years ago

    @Zeelmaekers wrote:

    I did some testing the days after this update.


    The Disruptor Rounds Hop-Up lets the RE-45 and Alternator shine and put it in a spot that it's balanced close range gun fights.
    They get countered pretty easily by other weapons like the R-99, havoc, devotion and shotguns.

    For the Hammerpoint Rounds rounds, i think they are in a underused spot.
    The Compatible weapons are rarely used and don't fit in the meta.
    They are too weak to get used over other weapons but a small damage buff could change that.

    Positioning incorrectly or making a mistake could make the difference between winning a fight or losing on with one of these Hop-Ups
    I think those weapons are a bit overestimated as players haven't adjusted to the new play styles that come with these changes.


    I disagree with your point about the R-99, havoc, etc countering the alternator with disruptor rounds. I have faced off against people with these guns, while I have the alternator with hop up, and it shreds them so much faster than any other gun. It is honestly so OP right now that it needs a nerf. I get they wanted to make them better, but they just made it better than every other gun. 

  • Koochi-Q's avatar
    Koochi-Q
    7 years ago

    @MandatoryIDtagBelieve me, even if you asked me this question pre-season 2 I would’ve said Mozambique. I’m just good with that weapon and like it alot more. Screw peacekeeper! Even killed of someone who had the L-star and I the mozambique from the carepackage :D

    @Anlbrdyea! You got good taste mate!

    p2020 and mozambique might be underused but thats because most ppl just don’t like ‘em. I dont like the p2020 except for early game. I can rock a mozambique all day and can say that if all pallets hit the target (so 45 dmg non hopup’d), with the hammerpoint it’s a one hit down/kill cause you do 109 dmg. Seen this myself in the situation mentioned above. This wasn’t even a headshot. 

    But the thing is, if you’re not standing really close to the target pallets will miss. That’s why this weapon is an extremely close range weapon

  • Yeah it essentially acts as a double barrelled shotgun with the hop up, i personally prefer the added range of a peacekeeper. I'll take a precision choke over a hammerpoint any day. Just my personal opinion though haha.

  • EA_Blueberry's avatar
    EA_Blueberry
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    7 years ago

    @Cabowse wrote:

    When they first announced the disruptor rounds I thought maybe it would be about 20% extra damage or something like that.

    I love the Alternator and I think the buff they gave it made it a viable weapon late game, but I do feel like the disruptor rounds need to be reigned in even from 170% damage to something like 140%.

    P2020 & Mozambique I think are fine as they are still pretty pants when using them against shields, you go up against someone with purple shields and you're gonna feel the pain.



    @Zeelmaekers wrote:

    I did some testing the days after this update.


    The Disruptor Rounds Hop-Up lets the RE-45 and Alternator shine and put it in a spot that it's balanced close range gun fights.
    They get countered pretty easily by other weapons like the R-99, havoc, devotion and shotguns.

    For the Hammerpoint Rounds rounds, i think they are in a underused spot.
    The Compatible weapons are rarely used and don't fit in the meta.
    They are too weak to get used over other weapons but a small damage buff could change that.

    Positioning incorrectly or making a mistake could make the difference between winning a fight or losing on with one of these Hop-Ups
    I think those weapons are a bit overestimated as players haven't adjusted to the new play styles that come with these changes.



    Great feedback!


  • @SixthOTD wrote:

    @Zeelmaekers wrote:

    I did some testing the days after this update.


    The Disruptor Rounds Hop-Up lets the RE-45 and Alternator shine and put it in a spot that it's balanced close range gun fights.
    They get countered pretty easily by other weapons like the R-99, havoc, devotion and shotguns.

    For the Hammerpoint Rounds rounds, i think they are in a underused spot.
    The Compatible weapons are rarely used and don't fit in the meta.
    They are too weak to get used over other weapons but a small damage buff could change that.

    Positioning incorrectly or making a mistake could make the difference between winning a fight or losing on with one of these Hop-Ups
    I think those weapons are a bit overestimated as players haven't adjusted to the new play styles that come with these changes.


    I disagree with your point about the R-99, havoc, etc countering the alternator with disruptor rounds. I have faced off against people with these guns, while I have the alternator with hop up, and it shreds them so much faster than any other gun. It is honestly so OP right now that it needs a nerf. I get they wanted to make them better, but they just made it better than every other gun. 


    Yeah a kitted alternator is seriously scary right now. Got taken by surprise how quickly my purple/gold armor was depleted several times before I began instinctively ducking behind cover any time i'm being shot at with disruptor rounds.

  • xXCA_RageXx's avatar
    xXCA_RageXx
    Rising Veteran
    7 years ago

    Much better weapon variety going on in my opinion. Way better than only seeing wingman/peacekeeper.

  • Yeah what ever team who gets fastest equips on Alternator wins. I dont like this meta, when I can solo kill 3 squads with ease as soon as I get my Alternator hop ups. Aim for the head and no matter what weapon they have they wont see jack from the screen effect + headbop.

    Pre-Nerfed wingman was a lot harder to pull this off with..

  • neillkorey's avatar
    neillkorey
    7 years ago

    @NitromethaneAP 

    I have changed my mind last night my squad had two alternators one gold one fully equipped with gold stabilizer and purple everything else to end the game we ended up in the middle of the three other teams and I with the gold alternator put down 4 and buddy with other alternator put down 4 and our 3 put down 1 the alternator is cheating and two on one team is just dumb not a fan of the meta the alternator needs to be nerfed down to whatever the re45 is because I never see people using that so it must not be as crazy as the alternator is.