It's night & day playing with mouse & keyboard in any title that doesn't support aim assist for controller users, just wow. Overwatch, PUBG (console, PC), Tom Clancy's Siege (no aim assist while playing real players), Valorant and so on.I honestly think most of the mouse & keyboard players gave up on Apex Legends because of the aim assist. Getting beamed in your back gets old quickly. Something needs to change in Apex Legends. It's a fun title, but without always running software helping controllers aim.Aim assist is why Apex Legends will never be a true competitive title.If anyone on mouse & keyboard is getting frustrated with Apex Legends, play a game without aim assist, it's very relaxing. People miss shots, you miss shots, all one happy game, well unless someone has an RNG gaming GPU fan.

Going to go ahead and close off this thread. If you wish to discuss what other games are doing then you can do so on those games' dedicated forum boards. At this point, this thread is going around in circles. Darko

I Understand Why Valorant Became So Successful, No Aim Assist.

24 Replies

Cro_Pittt
3 years ago
@Popa2caps Aim assist has to be there since you can't have the same aim precision with a pad like you have with m&k. However i do think they need to lower it a bit on PC since we see some laser beams by controller players. Removing it completely would be the wrong idea though.
Anonymous
3 years ago
@Cro_Pittt

I don't agree your opinion.

Apex Legends isn't that precise of a first person shooter, it's more movement based, yet games like Tom Clancy's Siege, PUBG (console and PC), Overwatch (PC lobbies) do not offer aim assistance for controller users even while against mouse & keyboard users (PUBG doesn't even have aim assist on consoles).

Yet those controller players didn't quit playing those games.

I have personally played controller for 20+ years, I know what aim assist is. There is a difference when trying to enjoy video games with friends and/ or using a controller against players, even those who don't have the assistance.

This argument that mouse & keyboard user's have the "ability to do more" isn't a good justification to give all controller users always running software, because then all the controller users wouldn't be using, you know, a controller.

Apex Legends controller users are starting to outnumber mouse & keyboard players on PC.

A controller with aim assist is one thing, but when you know how to take advantage of it is another. Controller isn't that good at looting, but boy you better watch out in close quarters range. 240 FPS, all low settings and a controller is the easiest gameplay you can get in Apex Legends.

Everytime I hear someone say, "Controllers need aim assist while on PC because the mouse & keyboard is so much better", but then that person is playing on PC, why don't they use this massive advantage input called mouse & keyboard then?

Controller users that continue to contradict themselves are getting old. I played Apex Legends mostly with a controller, I know directly both sides of inputs as I currently play with a mouse & keyboard.
AcidicSoda44031
3 years ago
Yeah sorry no. I have been a controller player for basically all my life. And I still 1000% prefer MnK over controller. I genuinely have no idea how can people say controller is better, because for me it just isn't, in every single way you can imagine.
That said, yeah I agree that the options for cross-play and input preference should be there. That way you can do MnK vs MnK, or controller vs controller only, if you wish so.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
3 years ago
@AcidicSoda44031
Exactly.
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
So you’re saying apex isn’t a success for EA/Respawn? Apex will never be a true competitive title not because of aim assist but because it’s a BR. Sorry I have to disagree with your multiple aim assist threads.
Anonymous
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man

No, Apex Legends is a good business venture for EA being very successful, but no it's not a real competitive video game title. It has competitive elements, but it's still based around RNG, Legends of different stature and/ or so varying randomness that it would be quite hard to predict the outcome.

A competitive title in my opinion wouldn't be about randomness, but about known paths and/ or elements that one must learn and continue to get better at. Two teams of equal skill and/ or practice competing against one another.

Apex Legends doesn't do that, it's more based on who can wait the longest and shoot the last person/s. In my opinion, a true competitive title wouldn't have that as the core gameplay, but would be more like team A vs team B or so on.

DOTA 2, LOL, CS: GO, Valorant, Tom Clancy's Siege, Overwatch (does have different size heros, but not random). It's like the same thing with PUBG, it can't ever be competitive because it's based on RNG. How can anyone be competitive on something that is randomly generated?

Respawn tried to do competitive Apex legends, it's called Arenas.

Valorant became popular because most mouse & keyboard players knew it wouldn't cater to the aim assist community, so they invested their time into it. Streamers suggested changing aim assist to Respawn, but they wouldn't listen, here we are. Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.

My own beliefs on what I don't consider competitive.
1) Aim assistance
2) Low tick rate servers
3) RNG (Random Number Generator)
MandatoryIDtag
3 years ago
@Popa2caps Honestly, I don't think apex was ever intended to be truly competitive.
The more cynical side of me wants to just call it an elaborate lootbox cash grab scheme maintained at a high enough quality to keep consumers invested in the game (with both time and money).
Alas, that's just my view on the whole thing lol, by no means does it mean I'm correct. 😛
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
@Popa2caps
I agree with everything that you said that just the nature of apex being BR and the RNG dictating a lot of things on what will happen except for the aim assist argument.
Can you name teams in the ALGS that quit just because of aim assist? If aim assist is that strong why isn’t every player in the league use a controller? Of course you’ll have to use everything into your advantage to win that huge prize pool money.
“Streamers now don't even talk about it because they get blasted if they talk negatively about aim assist, so they slowly move towards different titles, including Valorant.” Hal and PVPx complaining about aim assist seems to be still doing well even after bashing controller players. So as the other apex streamers.
Kyldenar
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
Oh, good, this poor dead horse again.
Maybe someday they'll bury the poor thing instead of beating it...
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
@Kyldenar Streamers have to keep their interactions up especially in twitter. These hot takes has a lot of replies which the twitter algorithm will put these tweets into people’s timelines even though they don’t follow that user.

Just observe the Rampage complaints 2 seasons ago where it was not nerfed yet the complaining just magically stopped. The wingman which was unchanged for multiple seasons suddenly became the target of people asking for a nerf. The hot new issue now is the gold knockdown shields which people are asking to be removed.