My TDM experience so far is basically people quitting as soon as your team starts losing. About 3/4 of the games I've played were lost causes before Round 1 even finished; 4v6 or even 3v6. At 4v6, I'll just quit to the lobby because I know we've got no chance and finishing the game with 3 kills and 12 deaths just isn't gonna happen.Why not grant the team with less payers a shield bonus to help offset being down players?All other things equal (I know it isn't because matchmaking is horrible, but hear me out), the team down players needs something to help them survive a little longer.You could give the team one more shield bar for each less player they have than the other team.5v6 - Purple (4 bars) vs Blue (3 bars)4v6 - Red (5 bars) vs Blue (3 bars) or Purple (4 bars) vs White (2 bars)3v6 - Red (5 bars) vs White (2 bars)2v6 - Forfeit. I mean, just call it at that point.Another way would be for their shields to recharge faster the more players down they are. Or you could combine the 2 somehow.As it stands now TDM is absolutely unplayable most of the time because of people leaving early. They've gotta do something or else this mode just goes on the trash heap of LTM's.

@hayhor. Same, a penalty for leaving early is not what I want to see either.How could this not have come up in testing, assuming they actually play tested anything?

@HappyHourSumwur Play testers do not quit. They should have been able to look at quitting in other modes to realize this might be an issue. Someone might "Why does control have a quitter penalty" and say maybe we should do something for tdm.

@HappyHourSumwurThe first multiplayer shooter I ever played was Halo 2. In 2004. In almost 20 years of multiplayer shooters I never encountered anything, certainly not bans, that could stop people from chewing off their own leg in order to escape a frustrating situation. I'll grant you, some people have a very, very low threshold for frustration. But I'll ask everyone to grant me that team-based multiplayer shooters can objectively be frustrating. Sometimes extremely so.And with all that in mind I ask you this: How on earth did anyone, developer or player base, think this was going to work out any differently? If there's any way at all that anyone here hasn't already seen this play out a million times in a million other games then I'll eat my hat. If there's any way that anyone thinks that any of the tired and failed solutions of the last twenty years will somehow magically work here and now then I'll eat it again.This game has a skill ceiling that is too high. Skill-based matchmaking almost never does anything to make players feel as if they are in a fair and balanced match. If they do anything to address the quitting that doesn't address at least one of these two points then they are wasting everyone's time.

@HappyHourSumwur All good ideas. I'd love to try them before they put a quitting penalty in.

@hayhorKind of nice to see a response that quickly but they need to do more to really "fix" it. Something to level the playing field a little when players leave your team or are AFK.If you're down 2 or more players early, you have no chance. Doesn't matter how many rounds you play or what the winning score needs to be. If people feel hopeless, they'll be much more inclined to leave.

Idea for how to handle people quitting early in TDM

14 Replies

hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@HappyHourSumwur All good ideas. I'd love to try them before they put a quitting penalty in.
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@hayhor. Same, a penalty for leaving early is not what I want to see either.

How could this not have come up in testing, assuming they actually play tested anything?
Srksii
3 years ago
@HappyHourSumwur Actually, I start think that people are less problem, and random disconnects bigger. Had random DC once or twice yesterday in deathmatch. They should just make join in game button and fill empty seats in fly. Much simpler
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@HappyHourSumwur Play testers do not quit. They should have been able to look at quitting in other modes to realize this might be an issue. Someone might "Why does control have a quitter penalty" and say maybe we should do something for tdm.
Redmattgame
3 years ago
Giving 10 minute penalties to quitters would be pretty pointless because instead the potential quitters would either just remain in the lobby/match & just not play for the duration or just sacrifice the 10 minute penalty because that would be far shorter than some matches.The only real logical option I see would be to just shorten the matches ie just play over 1 round first to 30-50 kills instead of best of 3 rounds or shorten the time limit (it is currently set at 30 mins)
Lord_Scorpion34
Legend
3 years ago
@Redmattgame why do the matches need to be shorter? Most TDMs I've played are like 1st to 100 or 2 kills. BR matches can go longer than the current TDM mode.

They just need a player fill mechanic like most other games have. Or give someone the option to switch teams to even it out like I've seen in some games.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/1626020736304582656?t=yB0LeL9iVf5r4BUdNsXWNg&s=19
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@hayhorKind of nice to see a response that quickly but they need to do more to really "fix" it. Something to level the playing field a little when players leave your team or are AFK.
If you're down 2 or more players early, you have no chance. Doesn't matter how many rounds you play or what the winning score needs to be. If people feel hopeless, they'll be much more inclined to leave.
Kyldenar
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@HappyHourSumwur wrote:
@hayhor. Same, a penalty for leaving early is not what I want to see either.

How could this not have come up in testing, assuming they actually play tested anything?
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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@HappyHourSumwur

The first multiplayer shooter I ever played was Halo 2. In 2004. In almost 20 years of multiplayer shooters I never encountered anything, certainly not bans, that could stop people from chewing off their own leg in order to escape a frustrating situation. I'll grant you, some people have a very, very low threshold for frustration. But I'll ask everyone to grant me that team-based multiplayer shooters can objectively be frustrating. Sometimes extremely so.

And with all that in mind I ask you this: How on earth did anyone, developer or player base, think this was going to work out any differently? If there's any way at all that anyone here hasn't already seen this play out a million times in a million other games then I'll eat my hat. If there's any way that anyone thinks that any of the tired and failed solutions of the last twenty years will somehow magically work here and now then I'll eat it again.

This game has a skill ceiling that is too high. Skill-based matchmaking almost never does anything to make players feel as if they are in a fair and balanced match. If they do anything to address the quitting that doesn't address at least one of these two points then they are wasting everyone's time.