Hi Apex-community,the famous matchmaking problems in public mode have existed since the beginning of Apex Legends.Example: You (level 1000+) are put together in a squad with level 35 players, while the champion team consists of three Predators with all "big" badges earned (4 KDB and 20 KB).How can that happen when I have absolutely nothing in common with those guys (kills, K/D-ratio, rank etc.)?What is the used algorithm to ensure a proper matchmaking? Is it even existing?Then the team-fill function is broken since the beginning of Season 11: In 4 to 5 out of 10 games you start with only one more player in trio-mode these days. Example pictures taken from 7 matches played in a row on saturday:Is respawn aware of those problems?Is there a fix planned?RegardsW3st

@hayhor I have an account with about 200 games played: no kills, no damage, no top 5.As you would imagine, the lobbies on this account are the absolute lowest tier of SBMM in the entire game. Eventually I plan on testing what you just referenced. Will ratting and placing top 5 (without any kills or damage) increase the skill level of the lobby?

@hayhor This garbage right here is why this game is going to die. Player count is already low. Just let people have fun. I'd rather be stomped by preds once every 5 games and have 4 fun games than have an uphill battle every single match until the stupid system takes pitty on me all for the rubber banding cycle to begin anew.

@Zkepz I've noticed when no filling I don't even need a special game. Just a couple top 5s with a few kills and some damage and wham lobby skill increase. I think this is why people who aren't really fighters struggle with the MM. You don't have to do anything in pubs to reach a top 5 so if you are a looter or a rotater the MM constantly moves you up.

@LetMeVsBots At least as it pertains to pubs, your sentiments are kind of how I feel. If pubs were more randomized, then at least you would be able to mitigate your overall success by practicing and improving above the median skill. So if you wanted to win more consistently, you could practice.As it stands now, you can achieve significant improvement in ability but not win more consistently because the algorithm is intentionally pitting you against players to ensure your win rate remains in line with all players (save the top 1%).

@Axs5626Sxa5001A couple things,I'm not even talking about winning. On trios, winning is a 1/20 chance. Winning every 20th game isn't a big deal to me. What I hate most of all is feeling like a fight is unfair for any reason, be it getting matched with better players, being shot through walls, or enemies teleporting around.Secondly, not everybody has an improvement mentality. I don't give a crap about being amazing or getting better. I just want to shoot gun. I'm slightly above average, always have been, and always will be. I don't care to change it. I play for fun with friends and that's it. If I want to get good I'll go play elden ring or something. I should not be getting rubber banded between skilled and unskilled lobbies so often.

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W3stminst3r
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Any answers from our community managers? Maybe any news regarding a possible fix for this?
Cheese9Man
4 years ago
@W3stminst3r Sorry mate no one answered. Someone pointed this out a week or two ago and it seems that it’s back but not as bad previous seasons (that’s why you see less complaining). Even on rank this season I’m experiencing 2-man squads unlike in season 11 where I have never experienced this. Not sure if Respawn is aware though as no Dev has spoken about it as far as I know.
Zkepz
4 years ago
Im not a community manager but if I get one awsome game my sky gets blood red with pred trails. Normally I only see diamond and master trails when I play my own average games.
So i you get good games, prepare to get face slammed by sbmm, and say hello to strange team comps, I keep getting only low levels into my groups and its clear they probably just had a lucky game, I don't really head it much attn outside what landing spot I choose.
I guess its part of the game, when you settle your style and start getting better you start getting slammed with this all the time, and at some point you get on the other side of that thing where you dont get people your level and skill into your team. I dont mind so much in pubs my beef with this is in ranked (hence why I only play premade in ranked).
Also after they added nofill option for duos and trios you can get odd games with one less person, specially at peek hours when a lot of people solo queue with nofill. And people quitting or crashing randomly, you only see them in the end on the summary screen. Ofcourse there are also the odd bug with fill ref @Cheese9Man
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Zkepz I've noticed when no filling I don't even need a special game. Just a couple top 5s with a few kills and some damage and wham lobby skill increase. I think this is why people who aren't really fighters struggle with the MM. You don't have to do anything in pubs to reach a top 5 so if you are a looter or a rotater the MM constantly moves you up.
Axs5626Sxa5001
4 years ago
@hayhor I have an account with about 200 games played: no kills, no damage, no top 5.

As you would imagine, the lobbies on this account are the absolute lowest tier of SBMM in the entire game. Eventually I plan on testing what you just referenced. Will ratting and placing top 5 (without any kills or damage) increase the skill level of the lobby?
Zkepz
4 years ago
Very cool project will be cool to get the results in the end :D
Asmodeus566
Hero+
4 years ago
@Axs5626Sxa5001
As @Zkepz I would also be interested in the results of your test. Cool idea.
HappyHourSumwur
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@W3stminst3r Yes, arguably, and No.
YourNetcodeSucks
Rising Veteran
4 years ago
@W3stminst3r I'm pretty sure this is done intentionally. Your high skill is assigned a numerical value and the system is matching you with players well under average value to compensate and 'balance' out your team to meet the average. Games have been doing this bullsh for years. Overwatch did it and it made many matches unplayable because while the enemy 6 were relatively similar skill, your team were scrubs to compensate for your higher skill. If a good player was represented by a 1, then that match would become 6v3.5. This isn't an issue in 1v1 matchmaking, but in team focussed games this tanks the overall experience for one side. Your matchmaking experience is the norm for anybody above average. Players like you are not allowed to do well because you're given an arbitrary handicap.
I've seen people make new accounts and suddenly start noticing a ton of high level dive trails on their team, where on the old account it was regular trails. This is unfair to noobs and veterans alike and I don't think Respawn or EA give a single rat rump to fix it. This is intended design.
YourNetcodeSucks
Rising Veteran
4 years ago
@hayhor This garbage right here is why this game is going to die. Player count is already low. Just let people have fun. I'd rather be stomped by preds once every 5 games and have 4 fun games than have an uphill battle every single match until the stupid system takes pitty on me all for the rubber banding cycle to begin anew.