I’m still a little sour that Respawn just admitted that they don’t value a player’s mechanical skill as a metric for winning gunfights and games. I’m also shocked that more people aren’t bothered this. I am happy they were receptive to the player feedback regarding TTK, but McCord’s response revealed what I presumed months ago— that being, that there is sort of a resentment towards players with good mechanical skill. It’s the entire reason that they embrace such aggressive SBMM. Lump all the high-mechanical-skilled players together so they don’t play against and beat our lower skilled customers. Again, I am glad they reverted the TTK, but the Dev’s response make me feel like other changes are coming down the pike to make the game “easier”. Maybe they will enact an in-game handicap (like in fighting games) where players who are flagged as “good” will automatically have less health and do less damage— imagine that.

@Gabrielmojo26I hear you. I disagree but I respect your opinion.For the record, I didn’t HATE the lower TTK. It wasn’t game breaking for me. It lowered my ability to use defense (strafing + movement) but it wasn’t the end of the world.I think forced SBMM is a much bigger problem— because I don’t believe players should be winning at similar rates. I believe that players with high mechanical skills should be performing better (overall) than lower skilled players. Apex gets particularly unforgiving in these high tier lobbies— I’m convinced the game doesn’t play well (isn’t enjoyable) at these levels but that’s subjective.

I actually feel the same way as McCord to a certain extent.I'll praise good early rotations and positioning as a team, over a spam crouching paddle console solo player bum rushing every newb in the lobby.There needs to be a balance, and the lower TTK was what I believe to be an implementation to try and move into that direction, which is team play.I'm not saying this is no longer possible since they reverted, but you'll now see the same solo Rambos going off to try and mechanically outplay entire squads by themselves because, well, the risk factor is no longer as crucial having reverted the TTK.Coming up against a Gibby or Caustic with red evo is once again an issue if you're not evolving your shields fast enough.I think a vast majority don't realize they're only trying to better the overall flow of the game with these changes, and reward team play.Quick observation from yesterday's games were that, above average players did not stick with me as a duo regardless of my stats being "ok", but they did with a lower TTK knowing very well they couldn't push à la Rambo with that security net of a higher TTK.

@Gabrielmojo26the lower TTK made me even more of a rambo then I already was. I don't know that I was bad about being a rambo, but I definitely would have my moments. If I see an enemy squad fighting I'll ping it and I'm pushing it. The lower TTK made it much easier for me to 1vs2 or 1vs3 people because with certain guns I could typically drop 2 enemies in 1 magazine if my aim was spot on. If I could ambush the enemy the lower TTK made it even easier for me to 1vs3 or 1vs2 enemies. Lower TTK meant lower investment of ammo/energy to drop an enemy. I was having quite a few engagements in 2vs1 or 3vs1 situations in which my armor never got broke with the lower TTK.I don't really notice a huge difference from either TTK in terms of reducing rambos. You both ultimately have the same life and similar DPS from weapons. The lower TTK did make ambushing/surprising enemies much easier as you could eliminate them before they could respond at all.But even still movement is key to this game and winning gun fights. I'm not a big spam crouch player, I jump and strafe more. No matter what they do I'm always going to try and use legend movement to make the enemy miss shots. I'm also going to try and use my ability to jump around buildings to my advantage.

@DaleWWilson95 TTK being lowered had nothing to do with any outcry from the community to start with. That was a decision made by respawn based solely on statistics and data.Some people preferred the lower TTK as their fights felt more clean cut, you get the drop on an enemy and they get punished as a result, a play style more in line with arcade shooters. It's not a matter of less skill being involved, its just a different skill set required.It also made a wider variety of weapons feel much more viable.Low TTK isn't a bad thing, it was just introduced into apex far too late to be accepted.The bottom line is it's all irrelevant as to who was right or wrong, TTK has been reverted to its original state (weapon buffs excluded) and that's it, end of story. 😛

We still going on about this? 😃

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46 Replies

hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@Axs5626Sxa5001 I honestly think the post meant encouraging teamwork through less opportunity to 1v3 teams. Which as you say mechanical skill allows and always will.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@hayhor Well they have said that they want this to be a team effort game. That was one of the reasons mentioned as why we don't have solo's. I will admit I do prefer team based play. Yeah it's cool when you pull off a dominate 1vs3 or clutch plays.. But it's a lot of fun when your squad is running well together. You feel confidence in your squad to push team/enemies. Just an overall better experience IMO.

I hope we don't see a handicap system. I'm semi supportive of some type of SBMM but a handicap system would go too far. I view that as making a legend OP, kind of like Gibi was in what was it season 3/4 when it took 2 people to down him because he was such a tank.
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
I actually feel the same way as McCord to a certain extent.
I'll praise good early rotations and positioning as a team, over a spam crouching paddle console solo player bum rushing every newb in the lobby.
There needs to be a balance, and the lower TTK was what I believe to be an implementation to try and move into that direction, which is team play.
I'm not saying this is no longer possible since they reverted, but you'll now see the same solo Rambos going off to try and mechanically outplay entire squads by themselves because, well, the risk factor is no longer as crucial having reverted the TTK.
Coming up against a Gibby or Caustic with red evo is once again an issue if you're not evolving your shields fast enough.
I think a vast majority don't realize they're only trying to better the overall flow of the game with these changes, and reward team play.
Quick observation from yesterday's games were that, above average players did not stick with me as a duo regardless of my stats being "ok", but they did with a lower TTK knowing very well they couldn't push à la Rambo with that security net of a higher TTK.
DaleWWilson95
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26You explained it there dude with lower ttk people are more likely to hug eachother/camp as a solo player that gets 1 v 3 most of the time i like being able to evade not just get sprayed up on back to menu and repeat the fights go on longer making it more entertaining
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@DaleWWilson95You're talking as tho players were hugging each other in a corner building just waiting the entire game for someone to walk by, in all honesty, I have played a lot since S6 dropped and not once did I observe this kinda behavior, not once!
In reality, I just think a lot of players were angry because they couldn't carelessly wonder on the map anymore, and getting shot faster, to the detriment of being more careful, was pee-pee-ing a lot of the higher skilled players, cause honestly, new players didn't even notice this.

That being said, many times having a blue EVO, getting shot in the back, I still had enough time to dodge out, regroup, heal, and push.

Players like to exaggerate only to reinforce the changes, whether it be lower TTK, or higher TTK.
DaleWWilson95
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26 Your probably a PC player thats why dude Xbox was full of them.. If no one asked for TTK change and it wasn't broken then why did they try and fix it.. There wouldn't of been any changes anyways just the taking out of old shields they admit they didnt have a big enough team due to whats going on
DaleWWilson95
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26 Your pic is path his evade mechanic was useless before the update
Axs5626Sxa5001
5 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26

I hear you. I disagree but I respect your opinion.
For the record, I didn’t HATE the lower TTK. It wasn’t game breaking for me. It lowered my ability to use defense (strafing + movement) but it wasn’t the end of the world.
I think forced SBMM is a much bigger problem— because I don’t believe players should be winning at similar rates. I believe that players with high mechanical skills should be performing better (overall) than lower skilled players. Apex gets particularly unforgiving in these high tier lobbies— I’m convinced the game doesn’t play well (isn’t enjoyable) at these levels but that’s subjective.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26the lower TTK made me even more of a rambo then I already was. I don't know that I was bad about being a rambo, but I definitely would have my moments. If I see an enemy squad fighting I'll ping it and I'm pushing it. The lower TTK made it much easier for me to 1vs2 or 1vs3 people because with certain guns I could typically drop 2 enemies in 1 magazine if my aim was spot on. If I could ambush the enemy the lower TTK made it even easier for me to 1vs3 or 1vs2 enemies. Lower TTK meant lower investment of ammo/energy to drop an enemy. I was having quite a few engagements in 2vs1 or 3vs1 situations in which my armor never got broke with the lower TTK.

I don't really notice a huge difference from either TTK in terms of reducing rambos. You both ultimately have the same life and similar DPS from weapons. The lower TTK did make ambushing/surprising enemies much easier as you could eliminate them before they could respond at all.

But even still movement is key to this game and winning gun fights. I'm not a big spam crouch player, I jump and strafe more. No matter what they do I'm always going to try and use legend movement to make the enemy miss shots. I'm also going to try and use my ability to jump around buildings to my advantage.
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@DaleWWilson95I'm on Xbox, and Path's passive was viable pre-update, and still is post-revert, imo.
Edit* Tactical, and not passive.