Re: Player wrongly banned.

It is funny how EA is willing to spend so much time and effort on resources to combat cheating. One simple solution below can solve wrongful bans and people on forums moaning about cheating. 

Warzone has SMS verification every time you login to play. You get banned then that same mobile phone number is banned too from login. It is more hassle to go through getting new temporary mobile number in cost and effort than it is to create new gmail account.

https://www.dexerto.com/call-of-duty/warzones-latest-anti-cheat-measures-are-finally-getting-hackers-angry-1366080/

Maybe outgoing SMS verification texts sent to millions of players logging in per month too costly for EA?

Or perhaps a smartphone app associated to mobile number to receive verification via data instead if it saves SMS cost?

Ban byWAN IP  if you're on public network like campus, fixed leased line or cable connection that never WAN IP reassigns for months. That's tough luck

Or just let players complain forever. The rate of bans is lower than the rate of increase of cheaters, so problem increases over time

Prevention is better than cure. 

@PeterN_UK nm

@Gabrielmojo26  This incident is a prime example of why I give our forum users with similar complaints the benefit of the doubt. I find it pretty annoying when then AHQ lynchmob rolls in spouting toxic comments with absolutely no proof other than the player being banned.

Plenty of bans have been appealed successfully so its clear mistakes can be made.

@Gabrielmojo26 I'm life witness when this thing happened live, check my thread https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/BloodHound-Ban-From-The-life-witness/m-p/9633817#M114217

@Gabrielmojo26  Yup, looks like it on this occasion lol, my point still stands though. :D

He has over 30,000 kills and predator. Not the sort of account you want to risk losing. Cheaters usually use smurf disposable accounts.

If he was trying to fool the world he is going through alot of trouble over it. Cheaters don't want to bring attention to themselves to that degree.

He submitted a video clip of him typing chat to cheater to stop griefing.

Apex tweeted:

"BH appeared to have multiple other banned accounts * BH has a history of attempting to evade bans"

The question is how did they tie him to other banned accounts. They should of said whether its hardware ID or WAN IP were same. That would just simply end the story right there and then.

The whole thing about having direct relationship to developer is a separate thing. They can be friends or more whatever that is fine, but there was no video evidence of him aim snapping. It was the ban process that seemed wrong.

He was banned first then investigated after. If they were sure of banning him rightly initially then they wouldn't bother revisiting the case again.

@Gabrielmojo26 guilty Bloodhound, but overall disappointed with how the community has handled this. Initially I too went, "Oh, Respawn messed something up? What else is new?", but aside from that I didn't do anything nor give too much judgement towards either side. The people that went out on a witch hunt and openly harassed Lulu and Hideout are in the wrong, but the people who defend the developers quoting that the subreddit is just a "hivemind anti-apex anti-Respawn" clown fiesta aren't doing much to help either. One side is frothing at the mouth looking for anything outside of genuine criticism to openly be hateful towards the developers, and the other believes that because one person got caught out lying the devs are absolved of all criticism and have done and continue to do a great job (which is also the same type of hivemind that they criticize). 

Black and white thinking was proven to be a logical fallacy a long time ago, and its saddening to see that todays online internet culture has just devolved into this pointless acid spitting. Whatever happened to teaching people how to behave on the internet, how to be civil despite having differing opinions, and knowing how support people and content while also being able to criticize it? This whole situation just kind of highlights how powerless a community can be when divided, and how critical issues (such as the Halloween bundles) are swept under the rug in favor of a modern day ouroboros, stuck in an eternity of pointless conflict poisoned by its own doing. 

@pastaclown

Well said. The power of anonymity means we are more unpleasant to eachother than ever before. Keyboard warriors but face to face completely different.

Feel as though we are all getting worse as human beings.

People are bashing developers over game design decisions or pricing of items. EA is such a big organision of thousands employees that any monetary matters are definitely at Director level, not by developers.

Guess they would love to say that but they don't want to bite the hand that feed right.

If there was someone in charge to blame then straight from their website below of their executives. I don't blame developers as they're being used as meat shields against public opinion.

"Chris Bruzzo is the Executive Vice President, Marketing, Commercial and Positive Play where he leads EA’s marketing and commercial operations. In addition to overseeing these organizations, Chris is responsible for EA’s long-term planning focused on initiatives that build meaningful connections with EA’s player base around the world, including business partnerships that concentrate on player health, community, inclusion, and positive play."

Maybe he should surf the forums or someone tweet him about EOMM, SBMM, Cosmetics etc. But then argument has to be logical enough to make him understand its easy to make a quick buck now or better to build stronger trust and reputation for long term loyalty by engaging in consolidated community feedback. Reputation is like free marketing. Community feedback is like free QA/Testing for great ideas. EA got potential to change opinions easily in future.

@Gabrielmojo26

You're right the result of ban became less of an issue.

She was perceived on her reactions and how she composed herself. Her mistake was generalising everyone has issues lashing out because she didn't leave enough time to cool off. Out of all the positive and negative comments anyone could be her subscribers, so its important to be humble and choose words really carefully.

I've watched few of her streams and every now and then she is bit toxic about randoms and bashes the game. I mean who doesn't, ShivFPS is mentioned loads of times and he is like major rage every now and then. Dr DisRespect was worse he would uninstall the games live on stream bashing developers then next day reinstall it then carry on playing it. We don't know why he was banned, probably signed an NDA with payout for silence if Twitch done something wrong.

RIP headphones with these streamers.

Back when Shroud was actively streaming Apex he was always humble even though he knew he was too good. He presented a "nice guy" image and yes he complained about latency, but he never moaned when he was outplayed and hardly ever rage. He focused on positive of the game, what could be improved and tactical decisions. You watched him not just because how well he played, but how he was good at entertaining and informative. Also without toxicity. Those are better role model streamers.

I'm sure there are other more lonely streamers who would appreciate your sub instead. Would be nice for Twitch to do a random side panel of lonely streamers with low viewers to bring more attention to them. They are forgotten about easily. In fact some stream for months with 0 viewers as they need to be persistent and stick to broadcast schedule to get subs.

Funny thing is even if he doesn't get his account back maybe one of his intentions was to damage her reputation a bit. He certainly achieved that as he managed to provoke her into lashing out at negative comments.

He can just create another account.

Although I still find it strange for someone with stats like that using it to cheat when he could create a smurf account so easily. He created a new twitter account and posted his crazy stats.

https://twitter.com/Adam61836762

You know I just get the feeling he was unjustly banned. He just posted about how they said he has history of cases and called them out for it. He is not letting this go.

I also would be interested to know "how" his other accounts were identified i.e. hardware ID or WAN IP etc what was link between them. Why not just put finisher on him with that.

@hayhor lol its been deleted already. His latest Tweet was a screenshot of his historical EA cases in his account and called them out to show all the tickets themselves to him.

I got the twitter link from that reddit thread. Now I wonder why he deleted it as he only posted it an hr ago. I should of screenshot it.

Here is an update on the situation:

https://twitter.com/Adam61836762/status/1319304823431454720

NGR Lulu: Per the reddit thread of the BH getting unfairly banned, I'm sorry Adam61836762 (u/KongoBoom) that you were banned along side the Gibraltar who WAS hacking. I've done what I can to push your thread along to the right parties.

And OP's reply

u/KongoBoom: thanks for clarifying my doubts and hopefully I get my account unbanned soon.

@PeterN_UK the account link says account dosnt exist. 

@hayhor

@OldTreeCreeper

Now he is messaging on reddit between them. Yup he is not letting it go.

https://www.reddit.com/user/KongoBoom/

Can someone at Apex just simply say he has same hardware ID/ WAN IP as other accounts and get the suspense over with :D

@PeterN_UK other accounts can be found using more than just hardware I'd and iban's and the suchlike. Much like a person's written communications style, their playing style has unique aspects, that can be easily recognised. 

@PeterN_UK I'm not on social media and tbh I don't understand a lot of it really. First time I've seen anything like this. 

Oh he is guilty.

Out of nowhere he creates distraction by sympathising with streamer. So obvious as he had plenty opportunity before the game was up.

No longer even pressing the issue further and just concluding it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ApexOutlands/comments/jghswr/im_sorry_lulu/

Streamer's reputation impacted to a certain degree insulting negative posters whom some were subbers and he must of accidently used his main account instead of smurf to cheat.

Both lost out and the public had a good laugh at their expense.

End of story :D Could be a Netflix B Movie potential here.

@PeterN_UKStop being illusioned. Stats, career, reputation etc. are literally NO indication or evidence about someones innocence and should NOT be taken into consideration whatsoever.

There were a dozen scandals in CSGO alone about professional players cheating despite their VERY livelihoods literally depending on it. Same with streamers. Hell a few months ago over 30 coaches in professional CSGO have been banned and got their reputation tarnished for abusing exploits in tournaments.

Thats like saying celebrities and authorities are less likely to commit crimes. Yet most that didn't turn out to be [Edit - Admin.] are likely involved in tax evasion.

@BigBlackCausticI was highlighting entertainment value of the story. What I am saying is that the result didn't matter as the process was more observed in what happened. Just what seemed to be case with his sudden turnaround.

Funny thing is credibility is taken into account in legal system. i.e. A person's past has bearing when it shouldn't. Police will jump if there is media attention or someone famous are priority, money gives you strong legal representation than appointed one. Not ideal or fair, just the world we lived in.

But I do know both were subject to abuse that is not warranted.

After 22K kills, most likely 1500hrs, he only now gets caught because of a Gibby teammate who was obviously cheating?

Isn't that worrisome in the grand scheme of things for any of you? Cause that sure isn't reassuring for me!

And all this because a streamer had a direct line to a Dev.

Big yikes imo!