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- Kyldenar3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@reconzero wrote:
@Gator762FMJ
"if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad."
If you're checking the box to fill squadmates it's because you're not willing to wait 10 minutes for a match.
And careful with the whole "consenting to play as a squad" thing. That means different things to different people and you might easily find yourself the object of someone else's ire for a failure to imagine the game as they imagine it.Yeah, the matchmaking complaint that @Gator762FMJ has comes from the same root cause as you and I have noted in the past - the Matchmaking doesn't consider preferred play style at all. And I assume it never will because of they way they gather and sort matchmaking data surely doesn't factor in a desire to play it slow and careful vs W-Key Leroy Jenkins plays.
The solution to this issue, as noted, would be for each account to have a screen were they can fill out matchmaking preferences. It would have questions like,
- 'Hot Drop'?
- Aggressive?
- Stealthy?
- Careful?
- Long Range engagements
- Mid Range engagements
- Short Range engagements
- Loot then Fight?
- Prefer Kills over Placement?
And each would have a yes/no setting you could toggle. Then you can leave it, or change it up here and there based on what you are looking for.
Then, the matchmaking would, also considering your SBMM stats, consider these answers to try to squad you up with like minded players.
If they actually did this, I might consider coming back. - Zulkiers3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Kyldenarsounds nice
I prefer late drops, away from the bloodbath.
Gather gear then get ready for whatever may happen.
Use critters as target practice, EVO shield levelling, and crafting material income.
Hit certain areas for summoning gold gear bubbles.
Max out Longbow and armor.
Get an L-star.
Make ambushes.
Find hiding spots so you can respawn your ally in duos 3 times, collect their banner again, then get plastered trying to get closer to the respawn beacon because you are 285 meters of 200 from the beacon, and the final squad is between you and the beacon. As Crypto, mostly using the drone.
That was yesterday.
But yes, late drop, stealth, and sniping are my playstyle. - reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@hayhor
You've had better luck than I have. No-fill matchmaking for me is a pretty long and drawn-out affair.
I definitely queue with a squad, and I definitely do my own thing, but I don't find it frustrating for myself, per se. I find it frustrating for them - watching them make incredible rotation and position mistakes, obviously believing that they have to go wherever the circle pushes them, and wondering all the while when their awol #3 is going to get himself killed. They always die first. Always. And I feel bad, but I'm not a life coach. I can only lead by example. - @Kyldenar Bro, what do you actually want from Apex? TBH you seem miserable with this game? A lot of suggestions/issues - correct me if I am wrong, but man, it seems like it is driving you crazy? Like what is the core issue that is making you so miserable? Dude, it is just a game. Let it go. Move on. You wanna beat players - the answer is accuracy. Practice 1v1 or aim trainer. It's simple. You don't want to? Then don't complain. Sorry, but my goodness, not everything is the fault of the developer because of your experience. If you were a Masters of Diamond level player already with this complaint I would understand, but you are not. And they don't owe you a special experience just for playing. Like why do you think that way?
Dude, I am not fighting with you, but my goodness, are you listening to yourself? You want SIMILAR skill? That means for every headshot you give you will receive....? It's crazy. You will still complain about the same issue. And like you said - games that do not cater to the lower end will die yet here you are, playing it....and complaining about it. If you are so against it, vote with your time, it is your most precious commodity. - reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Unitee01
I don't mean to step in here and speak for @Kyldenar, but I would like to say something on the subject:
"You want SIMILAR skill? That means for every headshot you give you will receive....?"
I don't think that is what "similar skill" means at all. It's one particular thing that it COULD mean, but not what any of us is talking about when we say we'd like tighter matchmaking. I don't think anyone is talking about getting 50/50 matches, or 50/50 engagements, or a 1.0 k/d. We all understand that everyone dies in shooters, especially in battle royale. It isn't the dying that people object to. It's the nature of the deaths. I know the difference between a poke fight with a guy whose aim is on par with mine, and a fight where if I stick my head 1 centimeter over the wall I lose my shield and 70% of my health in 0.4 seconds from a pair of 301 shooters who are a football field away. One of these opponents is in my neighborhood, the other two are not. Facing off against opponents with laser-like aim does not, contrary to popular opinion, make you a better player, improve your own aim, or motivate a normal player to want to work harder at improving. It breeds suspicion, feeds conspiracy theories, and frustrates people who question whether what just happened to them is even possible within the limits of game physics and weapon mechanics.
ALL THAT ASIDE: He never said "similar skill." He said "similar playstyle." Which, imo, is a pretty good idea. - @reconzero Well, tbf I never got that from the "article", but I know what he means, based on previous posts.
Facing off against opponents with laser-like aim does not, contrary to popular opinion, make you a better player, improve your own aim, or motivate a normal player to want to work harder at improving.
Ok, why not, it did to me when I played Quake? You wanna hit more targets? Then get better. There is no if or but really. I don't get why it is such a reach for the two of you to accept that people can have better aim than yourselves? Cheating is a whole other convo, but not everyone cheats and the majority does not. - reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace
@Unitee01
What I was trying to say, and clearly failed, is that it's perfectly okay for someone to have better aim than me. The problem occurs when, in a game with such a wide skill gap, my opponent has aim from distance that is bordering on 100% accuracy with a gun that I know for a FACT does not operate at any range other than close up no matter what scope you have.
I know I like to pose as a "mediocre" player, and in many respects I am, aim being one of them... but I'm also experienced enough to know when an opponent is verging from "better than me" to "way better than me" to "not really sure what he just did is even possible." And I don't really gripe about facing off against ANY of those other players unless it's the latter and unless it's an entire lobby of them for ten lobbies in a row. And that's rarer an occurance than I sometimes make it out to be.
"You wanna hit more targets? Then get better." This is missing the point. It SOUNDS as if you're saying that you want Apex to be built around the experience of superior players, and that anyone who doesn't like that merely needs to BECOME a superior player. Am I mis-reading you on this? - reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Unitee01
"just sayin you should play instead of hiding and trying to chase stats."
I think you're misunderstanding how this works for the average player. I don't hide in order to "cheese" stats. The stats, as we've both agreed before, are essentially meaningless. I play the way I play based on my experience, based on what works, what doesn't work, and based on what can be made to work over time without turning the game into a full-time job. And, as I've said before, I'm pretty sure that 22k matches is far, far more than most players put it. If I was going to get any better, mechanically, then I would have done so by now. Your faith that anyone can be top-level with enough work is, imo, completely wrong. And I also think that incorrect conviction is a big part of why you believe in the essential fairness of random matching. - @reconzero The time to find a match when no filling depends on the time of day. If I queue on NA at 8 am eastern it will take forever. But any peak time I find games fairly quickly or at least quick enough for me.
@XHelperZYeah, a ban might be too much.
An idea hit me though, they could increase the penalty by a minute every time you DC right after being knocked without letting the timeout go. Heck even start the penalty off light at 1 minute with the notification telling you why, and that it increases a minute every time you do it.
Slow learners will either get the message it's a squad based game or get really long queue times. 🙂
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