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Seasoned Ace

6 months ago

Classes fix update

Melee weapons need more variation on what they do; hunting knife keep boost run speed and atk speed, combat knife change it to quicker takedown, add throwing knifes here instead of recon, sledgehammer should create small holes on walls instead of destroying them.

throwables change; smoke, and standard grenades will be open to all classes. Assault will also get stunt and flash grenades, engineers will get AT and impact grenades, support will get mini and incendiary grenades, finally recon will get proximity and EMP grenades (disrupts or destroys electronics which will temporarily rid of players huds), throwing knifes will be added to melee options.

Suppression should be split between gun and explosives; gun supression will slightly blur vision on target but slight blur on those close to target, has a small AoE while explosive supression will block health regen inside the impact area and delay health regen on those outside the impact area but are nearby. It has a wider AoE. Effect will be removed if suppression is not sustained.

From here on I will make most changes to classes to be more in line with their roles. Signature weapon will change to weapon debuff, this should work regardless of your preference for open or closed weapons system. Skills and gadgets will be swapped around as well and some will get some additional feature.

ENGINEER will change its signature gadget to supply create (resupply ammo for vehicles and soldiers and will also heal vehicles nearby). Weapon debuff reduce mobility of vehicles and infantry with all explosives. Signature trait will stay as is mechanized infantry (while near a vehicle, reduce explosive dmg and block enemies from stealing vehicle, repair to prolong effect). This will make this class the preferred choice for those who enjoy explosives and vehicle play.

Gadgets will be mostly the same; rocket launchers (stinger, RPG, javelin, guided, law), mines (AT, acoustic/sound, tripwire), EOD bot, I would add mortar to this class as its focus on explosive dmg would hinder enemies advancement.

COMBAT ENGINEER his ability would change to “repair tool” this would allow him to heal and destroy vehicles and constructs faster, can dmg players. His initial skill will remain as gadget fortification (overheal gadgets). Next skill will change to "equipment tinkering” (vehicle equipment cool down will be reduced when fixing or riding the vehicle). Last skill will remain as vehicle regeneration (start vehicle health regen if health is critical but will have an extended cool down). This path will focus on vehicle survivability.

ANTI ARMOR ability would change to “repair tool”. His initial skill will stay as extra rockets (+2). Next skill will stay as launcher proficiency (+15% reload speed and missiles will fly faster), and the last skill will change effect "devastating impact" (reduce fix rate and boost explosive dmg with consecutive explosive hits). This path will focus on crippling and destroying vehicles while slowing enemy advancement

SUPPORT I will keep signature gadget as supply bag (heal allies and resupply non-lethal gadgets). Weapon debuff will be improved blur vision (effect will scale with prolonged fire at enemies but will also fade if fire is not sustained. This allows self and allies to take less fire from suppressed enemies, however reloading will terminate the effect). Signature trait will remain as squad resupply (resupply ammo and heal upon contact). This class will focus supporting allies

Gadgets will be; deployable cover. Would like to add a deployable turret as a gadget. Add adrenaline injector (boost speed, debuff resistance and explosive dmg) from assault here, Interceptor systems will go to assault, mortar will go to engineer and pouch will be added to recon, and Smoke launcher will be added to weapon mods

COMBAT MEDIC his ability will change to “defibrillator ” (revive allies with low hp, full hp if charged and able to kill enemies on a single hit). Initial skill will remain as urgent aid (removes debuffs and quicker healing). Next skill will remain as revive recovery (quicker revives and immediate health regen activation upon revive or near supply bags). Final skill will change to “Brothers in arms” this reduces the effects of debuffs on nearby allies or near their supply bags (buffs don't stack). This path will focus on reviving, healing, and removing debuffs

FIRE SUPPORT his ability will change to “defibrillator ”. Initial skill will remain as logistic expert (resupply non-lethal gatgets faster). Next skill will change to “personal protective equipment or PPE” (resistance incendiary, explosive, and immune to gas dmg). Last skill will change to “hold your ground” immune to suppression effects and steadier shooting if mounted or mounting his weapon

ASSAULT signature gadget will change to “deploy beacon”. Weapon debuff will cause a slight flinching. Signature trait will remain as mission focused (faster objective progression, quicker out of combat cooldown which allows faster allies respawn). The tip of the spear, this class is our most numerous, the first to engage enemies, and take objectives faster adds to its versatility to advance but also the best at creating spawn points to allow his team traverse faster and safely

Gadgets will change; keep weapon sling, flash breach, move Interceptor system (anti grenade and anti missile) here. Should consider adding chest plates, and bullet proof shields. launchers like (HE, incendiary, smoke) and incendiary shotgun will be removed from gadgets and added to weapon mods. Ladder will be moved to recon

FRONTLINER will gain the ability “HE grenade launcher”. Initial skill will change to extra grenades, +2 to throwables. Next skill will change to “agile shooter” this will reduced ADS penalty to movement speed while shooting and moving). Final skill will remain as “quick recovery” this will boost health regen rate). This path will focus on prolonged confrontation and being ready to engage with minimum down time.

SQUAD LEADER will gain the ability “HE grenade launcher”. Initial skill will be “drill sergeant” this will boost reload speed and movement speed. Next skill will be “defense focus” (improves gadget performance and range). Final skill will be “lead by example” boost dmg and score points to squad members who are capturing objectives set by squad leader or are near him. Im still working on this path but focus on commanding and improving squad mates.

RECON keep his signature gadget to “TUGS” (will display enemies in the mini map). Weapon debuff will mark enemies postion briefly in mini map and in-world. Signature trait will remain as "auto spotting ” this will spot enemies in world for squad. This class will focus on gathering information and relaying it to their team.

Gadgets will mostly be the same; laser designator, C4, decoy, claymore, dart gun (Would like to add a EMP version or just replace it), I would like to move ladder to this class as it would help with better positioning

SNIPER his ability would change to “drone” spot enemies for 60 sec with in a 100 m radius in minimap and in world for all allies. Player can manually control the drone otherwise it will fallow player, if drone is destroyed the abilities is over. Initial skill will change to “sniper training" this will improve marksmanship, reduce sway and better breath control for steadier aim. Next skill will change to “enhanced perception” this will improve spotting range and area of effect from crosshair, spotting will be quicker and last longer). Final skill will remain as confirmed kill (enemies can't be revived from a head shot by a bolt action rifle). This path will focus on trimming down or assassinating enemies from long range. 2 skills are from recon signature set (both make more sense on sniper then in recon)

SPEC OPS his ability will change to “drone”. Initial skill will remain as “stealth tactics” this will reduce sound unless standing and reduce movement speed penalty while squatting. Next skill will remain as gadget awareness (spot nearby enemy gadgets unless sprinting). Final skill will remain as “low profile” this will make player lose spotting quicker when prone and undetectable to thermal while prone and squatting. This path will focus on stealth and maneuvering behind enemy lines. Best class to hunt enemies and counter snipers.

Notes

Support deployable turret will have the option of setting on open space but no shielding (cover bottom half) and set up on a wall or sand bags will add shielding (covers sides and front has a slight opening)

Pouch will become an explosive bad to ressuply all types of explosives, not sure if I should give it to recon or assault as a gadget

13 Replies

Chris_Hawkner
Hero
6 months ago
A bunch of interesting ideas, but with the fact all that stuff is meant to be a vertical slice of the full game's content it'll be hard to judge how it'd all pan out in the full release.

Plus the game comes out in 2 weeks so really now we just gotta wait and see how it goes.
cementerydriver
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
I agree but im sure there'll be changes made as time goes on. Not sure which direction the game will go, but yes, we can only wait and hope.
GrizzGolf
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
So is it open or closed weapons at release?
cementerydriver
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
The actual game is open with the option to close it.
Which is y I hope they re-balance the classes and reconsider some changes.
Sawtooth75
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
Sweet spot mechanic, rather then using distance to activate it, how about using hold breath mechanic. Simply aiming won't do, recon will have to hold his breath and wait for the moment when the player feels the sight completely steady for the sweet spot mechanic to activate otherwise it will be a regular shot. (This will make sweet spots shots more deliberate and less trigger happy)
To some extent I like this idea, but I’d be a bit concerned about how it would promote camping. Although overwatch is part of the recon roll obviously, but still, no one likes the recons sitting at the edge of the map trying to pick on whoever they get in front of their sights.
cementerydriver
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
I don't think recon camping will be as much of an issue since it no longer has the beacon and open weapons allow other classes to do the same but better (support = heal and infinite ammo, assault can combo shotgun and sniper, engineer will stay back and carry rocket launchers with a sniper).
Since the sweet spot mechanic is already in the game, balancing it has become the issue. Currently, so long as you are 70 meters or more from your target this mechanic will allow a 1 hit KO no matter how fast you shoot (you don't have to wait between shots just aim and shoot which is what allows camping) so by linking the sweet pot mechanic to hold breath i hope it will balance it out (will need polishing)
A sniper ADS will only cause regular dmg, if he wants sweet spot to activate then he must retain focus (hold breath). This focus can be broken when the player moves or takes dmg. In order for player to gain focus while holding his breath he must remain still for a brief moment and must do so after every shot. this could make the difference between camping and strategic positioning as snipers will be open to being countered, Yes sniper can still shoot with out sweet spot but this choice is what essentially changes their aproach depending on the situation. At least compared to what we have now, it could be an improvement. (Would like to see how other snipers work around this feature)
Ps. If your worry is getting sweet spot shot at close combat, that would be difficult to pull as gaining focus leaves snipers wide open (more likely to get killed, can't hold their breath forever, within throwables distance) its not perfect but I think it would be a good starting point to work from.
Ohyoyo111
Rising Novice
6 months ago
Melee Weapons: I agree with the Sludge Hammer change—destroying walls in one hit is too extreme and needs adjustment. The Hunting Knife’s throwing feature is cool, though not very practical.
Throwables: DICE tried allowing one specialist in Battlefield 2042 to choose from three grenade effects, but it was simplified to one scatter grenade due to inconvenient switching. It’s unlikely the devs will allow multiple grenade types per class again.
Engineer: The different paths with unique effects are a great idea. However, adding a dedicated anti-air path would further enhance the class’s versatility.
Support: The fire extinguisher should auto-deploy, as teammates often die from fire before you can switch to it. The supply bag needs careful balancing—nobody wants an enemy to heal fully and return after being weakened. Other aspects are solid.
Assault: Mission Focused is a great design and should be universal across all classes. Danger Intuition adds immersive battlefield tension. However, Quick Recovery might be problematic, as it could give too much advantage in gunfights. (Health-related changes are tricky to balance, which is why DICE removed adrenaline-based health regen.)
Recon: Night vision and thermal imaging fit the class’s role perfectly. In the Zone is helpful for players who forget to hold shift for steady aim.
Overall: Many details are well-designed, with balanced and distinct class roles. However, numerical changes (e.g., health or damage) need caution to avoid disrupting balance. Innovative mechanics like the sweet spot tied to holding breath (essentially a shift-key damage boost) may complicate gameplay, as most players shoot first and think later. Simplifying such mechanics would be better.
cementerydriver
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
Agree on the throwing knife but thats the gatget they gave recon which should be open to everyone (player choice). The throwables agree too but I think is better then what they currently have since they took smokes away from everyone but support.
For engineering I wanted to be in general for vehicles so slowing them down and blocking health regen seems to much as is not to mention stingers tend to 1 shot kill air units
I'll rework support, it was a last add on but you are right. Was trying to keep most things as they were but less is more at times
Assault, wasn't sure about quick recovery since most don't like not being able to recover and support doesn't always do his job but you are right. Ill re check
All classes can Hold breath but has a higher purpose for recon as it activities the sweet spot mechanic. This would allow for happy trigger players to still fire at will but also allow more patient players to get the sweet spot benefit for being scouts and pick their targets for a I hit ko to the chest instead of shooting anything that moves
Ohyoyo111
Rising Novice
6 months ago
They have modified many previous mechanisms, mostly to enhance interactivity, whether it's interaction with enemies or teammates, so the direction should start with encouraging interactivity.
cementerydriver
Seasoned Ace
6 months ago
How would you guys feel about recon getting the beacon back but not as a gadget but instead as the signature gadget. It would start with a cool down and work as it does now (self destroy if player respawns or after a set number of respawns), will have a long cooldown so it can't be exploited for "camping".