Feedback: Heartbroken as a Long Time Fan of Series
Dear Developers,
I want to start by saying that I intend to give this feedback as respectfully as possible. I mean no offense to the developers who worked hard on this title, but I want to give my honest feedback as a longtime fan of the series.
It breaks my heart to say I am putting down Dragon Age: The Veilguard. I tried to make myself enjoy this game for 32 hours, but I just couldn't. If I could demand a refund, I would. I purchased what I thought was a Dragon Age game. Veilguard is not the same Dragon Age that made me love the series. Perhaps I am no longer the target demographic for the game, but as someone who's played Dragon Age since 2009, Veilguard makes me feel alienated as a fan.
Writing, storytelling, and dialogue are the most important factors that determine whether I'll reach the end of a game. I can look past boring gameplay and outdated graphics. Even game-breaking bugs failed to destroy my love of games like Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim. But mediocre writing kills my enthusiasm for a game, no matter how good everything else is.
I came into Veilguard after just finishing Baldur's Gate 3. One of the things that always excited me about the Dragon Age series was immersing myself in the universe by role-playing the MC. I still cherish my first Warden after 15 years-- she was a human noble warrior who chose to live as a man to join her father and brother in fighting the Darkspawn. I role-played the entire game through this lens and ended the game with her
I had already had an idea of who I wanted Rook to be. I chose the Antivan Crow background, intending for them to be a surly, reluctant antihero. This made sense to me, given the Crows are infamous as the most deadly assassins in Thedas. I also assumed this would be possible in Veilguard, as there were several ways to role-play the Inquisitor in Veilguard's immediate predecessor. Having options to play a new MC every playthrough is one reason why I've replayed both Origins and Inquisition multiple times.
But I was shocked that Rook appears to have a predetermined backstory and personality. No matter what dialogue options I chose, they always fit the archetype of the "rogue with a heart of gold" and feel like they belong in a Disney movie rather than in a Dragon Age game. For example, when I picked a justifiably angry dialogue option directed at one of the game's antagonists, he said, "Please don't do this," with a pleading inflection.
This bridges into the overall tone of the game. I am concerned that this game fits the definition of toxic positivity. I expected the tone of Veilguard to be bleak given the game's circumstances:
Solas' interrupted ritual allowed two ancient blight gods to escape. These gods intend to destroy Thedas as we know it, destroying entire cities and leaving a massacre in their wake.
But the game injects a pathological amount of happiness and optimism into moments that should be anything but.
I felt extremely uncomfortable during the quest On Blighted Wings / On Deadly Wings.
I chose to go to Treviso as my Rook is a Crow. When I arrived, the atmosphere was abnormally calm considering a dragon was destroying the city. There's no emotion portrayed in the voiced dialogue from either Rook or the NPCs to convince me that anyone was in danger. And after they fended off the dragon? "Good job! Way to go team!" Aren't we going to acknowledge that a bunch of people just died? Shouldn't the tone be more grim? The destruction of Haven was a masterful example of characters acting appropriately in response to a tragedy (and now I have "The Dawn Will Come" stuck in my head).
Afterward, Rook arrives in Minrathous to find it consumed by the Blight. Neve begins reprimanding Rook for abandoning the Shadow Dragons. While the decision text states, "Neve is devastated by the impending chaos in Minrathous," her admonishment of Rook sounds like she's scolding a puppy for going potty in the house. Equally awkward is the fact that Tarquin is chilling next to a mortally wounded Viper and he doesn't sound upset at all. When the blight-stricken Viper responds torso), Tarquin responds with the "frustrated groan" of a teenage boy who's been told his Xbox is being taken away.
Veilguard made me miss the companions of the previous games, especially characters like Sera, whom I hated at first playing as a Dalish elf. She's childish, bigoted, shortsighted, and vulgar. But I eventually came to love Sera because a well-written character provokes strong emotional responses. Plus, most of her dialogue is comedy gold, such as when she tells Blackwall she saw the Empress's bottom, only to immediately follow up with: "Well, I didn't. I drew it and someone said it was a good likeness. That's a story about trust."
On the other hand, Veilguard's companions are yes-folks who constantly sing your praises and never have any meaningful conflict with one another. I grew irritated during combat that whenever I defeated a standard enemy, it was "Nice one, Rook!" or "That one goes to Rook!" Or that Rook was complimented for solving a simple puzzle after the game tells you exactly how to solve it. Imagine a scrub tech repeatedly interrupting a surgeon while performing an emergency life-saving surgery to give platitudes like, "Great job getting that bleeder, doctor! You're doing great!" Talk about one of the fastest ways to get thrown out of an operating room.
The never-ending barrage of praise led me to perceive that the developers of Veilguard believe that constant validation, no matter how menial the accomplishment is, makes an effective team. However, the team that truly deserves praise is the team of wildly opposing personalities putting aside their personal vendettas to accomplish a goal greater than themselves and still manage to succeed.
I cannot say that any of the Veilguard companions elicit the strong emotional response I had to characters like Sera. I have always loved the romance in the Dragon Age series, especially Alistair and Fenris. While I originally went for Cullen during my first Inquisition play-through, Solas' romance caught me by surprise, taking my breath away with his pensive disposition, unique speech pattern, and vague melancholy surrounding his interactions. I looked forward to discovering how Veilguard would conclude his relationship with a romanced Lavellan (only to be disappointed not by the final outcome but rather by how the scene played out). No adult scene was ever needed for this couple, as their cutscenes together in Inquisition painted the most beautiful picture of their tragic love and left the question of their intimacy up to interpretation.
Showing, not telling.
But I found no such connection with any of the companions in Veilguard. The personalities all feel the same--like I'm choosing between Cheerios, Rice Chex, or Bran Flakes when I really want Fruity Pebbles. I chose a "flirty" dialogue option for Harding early on, and I did a double take as Rook says she looks "adorable" when she's focused in a very patronizing manner. If this is how adults flirt, my partner and I have been doing it wrong for the last decade. In fact, most of the flirtatious dialogue sounds like something you would say platonically to a friend. I left those conversations feeling like Rook had no intimate connection with that character.
Veilguard makes a few interesting choices when it comes to dialogue. The use of modern words breaks the immersion within the well-established universe. One positive thing I have to say about Veilguard is that it does an outstanding job with diversity and inclusion. Nonbinary folks have long existed throughout history, and they deserve media representation. But what hasn't existed for as long is the actual word nonbinary. Given that Dragon Age takes place in a medieval fantasy setting, I would have loved to see the writing team create their own word that blends into the Dragon Age universe. There was an opportunity for "The Scene" to be a powerful and inspiring lesson on gender identity and pronoun usage, but the downright negligent execution of the scene's writing and acting draws a direct comparison to Solas giving Corypheus his orb; the weapon served to the trolls on silver platter hurt those whom this scene tries to defend. What did Josephine say about the Game? Never show your cards to the enemy.
This game is rated M/17+, but the language used makes it feel like the primary audience is 10-12-year-olds. I believe the phrase "doing it" was used at least three times in one cutscene describing Solas' relationship with Mythal. Even if we consider that Taash is supposed to be young and immature, aren't they and Sera close in age? Sera's language is colorful at best and downright vulgar at worst. I'm not saying that swearing necessarily makes dialogue inherently better, but the only situation in which I've ever heard "doing it" used is parents talking around their very young children. Even kids don't talk like that. So tell me, which character better portrays the edgy behavior of youth?
There are many instances where the text shown on the dialogue wheel does not match the character's spoken words. When speaking with the First Warden, the text of the dialogue selection I made was, "You're an idiot." But what Rook actually said was, "You need to listen to me!" Those are two completely different sentences. And once again, with Rook's tone, no wonder the First Warden doesn't take them seriously.
Finally, I'd like to touch base again on Veilguard's fatal flaw-- the dialogue relies way too heavily on telling rather than showing. Regrets of the Wolf is possibly one of the biggest let downs in the game next to the ending. I spent countless hours devouring fan theories on the Evanuris, the Titans, the Blight, Andraste, and the Old Gods. Dragon Age has always drip-fed us morsels of lore, enough to sway but not seduce. At this point, I had already stopped playing the game, so I watched the quest on YouTube. After every memory, the Scooby-Doo gang gathers around a table and straight up tells players the answers to the questions we've waited 10 years for. As an Orlesian noble would say: where's the subtlety? Where's the intrigue? And worst of all, the characters tell us how we're supposed to feel about the revelation. This is the most fundamental plot history that the entire series is founded upon, with a conclusion so anticlimactic that it hurts.
If you read this far, thank you for your patience. While I will not be finishing Veilguard, I will be replaying the first three games and their DLC. After this experience, I think I am unlikely to pick up another Dragon Age title in the future, but I hope this feedback can help improve the next game.
I started another play through of DAO because of this travesty. This game is a downgrade in every way tbh. We've waited so long for something I was hoping would at least be decent. But it's like they just got the industry rejects to make it. Just awful and incredibly disappointing
I can't believe I just realized. I will probably get banned quickly, but I realized the problem. This has nothing to do with the writers or the creative team. It probably is the same reason why veteran creators of the series left.
I've only ever returned two games. One of those games was The Sims 4. I remember feeling like The Sims 4 was a heavily sanitized version of TS2 that alienated me as an older player, despite spending thousands on the franchise. And what do the two games have in common? EA.
After reading several articles and interviews on EA's marketing strategies, I 100% believe that the writers had to operate within content restrictions they had no control over. If you read all the fan theories from years ago, most of them turned out to be almost completely accurate. Bioware already had its story, but it was limited in how it could tell it. This is the second time the need to appeal to their investors destroyed a series I love.
Very well said. I feel like he sanitizing point can extend to DAV as well. It feels like a Saturday morning cartoon, in the sense of of darkness, drama (ex between companions), can't be mean, etc. or lack thereof. They decided to ignore the brood mothers and in party bickering of previous DAs.
I agree with so many of your points and would like to expand on why I’m feeling so jaded with the series as a whole after DAV. I will never understand why this company would lean away from compelling, fully fleshed out romances. It makes less than zero sense. It didn’t make sense when Anthem happened and it doesn’t make sense now. I’m a BioWare superfan that skipped Anthem specifically because that’s not what I want from a BioWare game. I can get mech suits and exploration from a million other companies if I wanted it (I don’t), but you know what I can’t get? Romance, especially romance while playing as a woman character, and especially not one baked into the story the way it was in the previous installments.
I will play a game that has the controls backwards and 3/4 upside down if it includes a romantic arc. Romance is the #1 selling genre of all time, and time and time again game devs and investors cut that content first. I still remember the minute little details from DAO, DA2, and DAI that made me go all girlish and giggly, and I’ve gotten nothing like that from DAV. I couldn’t wait to go back to Skyhold to see what I was in for, yet going back to the Lighthouse is an exercise in setting your expectations to near-zero and still being disappointed.
I think it’s a symptom of there being a lack of content overall, but for a player like me that will literally only buy the game because they’re established as THE name for fantasy romance, it’s the part that stings the worst. I waited ten years wondering how they were going to top Blackwall’s pained exclamation during the Well bit, Solas’ vallaslin scene, Cullen’s coin exchange, etc., and I ended up with about 10-15 minutes of mostly nothing, broke up into three scenes with 20+ hours between them. What happened?
I completely agree with your assessment. There are so many points where the characters act or say things that make no sense. When Rook meets Taash, she is in a full blown battle with multiple other Qunari, but Rook and companion just casually walk up and watch. Then Taash says, "oh, who are you?" followed by other nonsensical commentary for that situation.
When Bellara fizpops the crystal in the beginning, Rook asks her what she's doing, and she says just breaking things. She just came from seeing a village devastated by the Blight and has learned two gods are going to destroy the world. Her fizpop is straight out of Mickey Mouse's Sorcerer's Apprentice.
Harding is the biggest disappointment. In DAI, she is a bad **bleep** solo special forces scout. In DAV she's a rookie, not a hardened operator, but a little girl with esteem and confidence issues, always asking Rook if he thinks she can control her new power. Argh!!!! My hero destroyed.
Unfortunately, these are just a few of a very consistent pattern with all NPC interactions. As the OP said, this is a game for kids, this is not a serious Dragon Age game. This is a worse follow up that Andromeda was to Mass Effect.
I preface this with the understanding that everyone has a different take on everything :) , for instance I'm pretty easy to please and besides the ME 3 ending and some of the grinding I totally enjoyed my experience throughout ME1, ME2, ME3 and yes, even Andromeda. That being said, the dialogue in Veilguard struck me as immature (really, really bad) and made me cringe throughout the game. However, I enjoyed the graphics, storyline and battle mechanics.
If I can't get some indication that the new Mass Effect dialogue is much better than this I'm not sure I want to even try it. It honestly put a damper on my enjoyment of Veilguard and the continuation of Dragon Age. I really don't want that to happen to what I've already enjoyed with Mass Effect.
I have spent thousands of hour playing The Dragon age series from DA Origins to DAI. In DAI alone before EA discontinued Origin Platform way over 2000 hrs., although they show less than 1000hrs. on the EA Platform. I can only guess the amount of time I spent playing the Dragon Age Series combined is somewhere around 6 to 7 thousand hrs. I say this first to indicate my love for the series and the modders. Not included is time spent reading the entire DA book series. I love reading anyway and the books really made playing the games even more enjoyable. The freedom of modding the games, brought new life into the games. Like Assassins Creed Origin and some others is not a part of the Assassins Creed series, Although they are considered good standalones.
Veilguard is not a sequel to DAI. In my opinion it should have been presented as something that occurred after Solas left and the elves started disappearing is a thought. Ever since the reviews where confirmed the DAI inquisitor would not be exported into Veilguard I knew I would not be buying it. Can the developers fix this at this stage? Maybe.
Veilguard in my opinion may be a good standalone and many DA fans I think expected a sequel to DAI, I know I did. I was looking forward to the DAI Inquisitor to be apart of Veilguard with others who knew Solas better than anyone new. There is a cliff hangers attached to DAI. It would have been better in my opinion to have ended it with DAI rather than leave romance cliff hanger, friendship cliff hanger, and the games cliff hanging ending. There is no closer for it's fans. Dragon Age: Tevinter Nights the original cliff hanger. That is the Solas I expected to see. The Solas that comes to the inquisitor in her dreams, never getting close enough to touch. My applause to the DA author and all the DA modders. EA developers I wish you well.
I disagree with the technical and gameplay criticisms, but fully agree with what you are saying about the writing and narrative.
Where DA:O, DA2, and DA:I were tonally akin to DC Comics and Witcher, DA:VG flipped the tone into Marvel and Fate: The Wynx Saga. Everything is much too bright and unrealistcally cheerful given the circumstances and the world they are in. Hard topics like prejudice, discrimination, and slavery were entirely glossed over. Trauma were dealt with very light touch or simply thrown in the background to be ignored (like Jacobus).
If you disliked what they did with the Crows, you'd be pulling your hair out like me over what they did with the Nevarrans and Mortalitasi. I picked Mourn Watchers because I wanted to explore that aspect of Nevarran society (which may or may not be influenced by my canon playthrough of romancing Cassandra), only to find that "Black Magic is cool! Undead are cute!" full on Addams Family/Nightmare Before Christmas vibes they created for Emmerich, complete with a skeleton butler whose portrayed more like a pet nevermind how disrespectful it is to the dead and just handwaved it claiming each part were a "donation." When I got to that part I was like, wtf I don't want my Prussian-inspired grim soldier of Nevarra Rook to be associated with this guy.
Ignoring the fact that Veil Jumpers exists and is mainly populated by techno-babbling Dalish (which was already a BIG ask) it really completely destroyed the world building of the 3 prior games. The Lords of Fortune's HQ Hall of Valor showing people casually chatting up fade spirits while competing in an arena further spits on the worldbuilding of Thedas.
I don't understand why companies do this. The core player base were people who played Dragon Age Origins in 2009, people who are around 40 now, people who are used to the world that was built and refreshed and reaffirmed with Inquisition. Why PG-13-ify the story for a mass appeal when it already has a 17+ M rating? Why not just create a new IP at that point? Did they stop making Batman movies just because Marvel was more popular in recent years? No.
Feel the same about the game. Really enjoy the combat but the story and dialogue doesn't do it for me. I found Emmrich to be the one companion with any kind of nuance to him, so I went in to romance him with my very middle aged/older looking Rook. I was then surprised that, without telling me anything about this before, the game predetermined that my Rook was actually young enough for the age gap with him to raise eyebrows amongst the other companions. All the rp potential seems to just have been squandered, and the story and feeling itself feels so divorced from what I came to know as Dragon Age.
Another comment on this thread also mentions the disappointment they felt with what they had done with Nevarra and its necromancy, and I really agree on that as well.
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Dear Developers,
I want to start by saying that I intend to give this feedback as respectfully as possible. I mean no offense to the developers who worked hard on this title, but I want to give my honest feedback as a longtime fan of the series.
It breaks my heart to say I am putting down Dragon Age: The Veilguard. I tried to make myself enjoy this game for 32 hours, but I just couldn't. If I could demand a refund, I would. I purchased what I thought was a Dragon Age game. Veilguard is not the same Dragon Age that made me love the series. Perhaps I am no longer the target demographic for the game, but as someone who's played Dragon Age since 2009, Veilguard makes me feel alienated as a fan.
Writing, storytelling, and dialogue are the most important factors that determine whether I'll reach the end of a game. I can look past boring gameplay and outdated graphics. Even game-breaking bugs failed to destroy my love of games like Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim. But mediocre writing kills my enthusiasm for a game, no matter how good everything else is.
I came into Veilguard after just finishing Baldur's Gate 3. One of the things that always excited me about the Dragon Age series was immersing myself in the universe by role-playing the MC. I still cherish my first Warden after 15 years-- she was a human noble warrior who chose to live as a man to join her father and brother in fighting the Darkspawn. I role-played the entire game through this lens and ended the game with her
I had already had an idea of who I wanted Rook to be. I chose the Antivan Crow background, intending for them to be a surly, reluctant antihero. This made sense to me, given the Crows are infamous as the most deadly assassins in Thedas. I also assumed this would be possible in Veilguard, as there were several ways to role-play the Inquisitor in Veilguard's immediate predecessor. Having options to play a new MC every playthrough is one reason why I've replayed both Origins and Inquisition multiple times.
But I was shocked that Rook appears to have a predetermined backstory and personality. No matter what dialogue options I chose, they always fit the archetype of the \"rogue with a heart of gold\" and feel like they belong in a Disney movie rather than in a Dragon Age game. For example, when I picked a justifiably angry dialogue option directed at one of the game's antagonists, he said, \"Please don't do this,\" with a pleading inflection.
This bridges into the overall tone of the game. I am concerned that this game fits the definition of toxic positivity. I expected the tone of Veilguard to be bleak given the game's circumstances:
Solas' interrupted ritual allowed two ancient blight gods to escape. These gods intend to destroy Thedas as we know it, destroying entire cities and leaving a massacre in their wake.
But the game injects a pathological amount of happiness and optimism into moments that should be anything but.
I felt extremely uncomfortable during the quest On Blighted Wings / On Deadly Wings.
I chose to go to Treviso as my Rook is a Crow. When I arrived, the atmosphere was abnormally calm considering a dragon was destroying the city. There's no emotion portrayed in the voiced dialogue from either Rook or the NPCs to convince me that anyone was in danger. And after they fended off the dragon? \"Good job! Way to go team!\" Aren't we going to acknowledge that a bunch of people just died? Shouldn't the tone be more grim? The destruction of Haven was a masterful example of characters acting appropriately in response to a tragedy (and now I have \"The Dawn Will Come\" stuck in my head).
Afterward, Rook arrives in Minrathous to find it consumed by the Blight. Neve begins reprimanding Rook for abandoning the Shadow Dragons. While the decision text states, \"Neve is devastated by the impending chaos in Minrathous,\" her admonishment of Rook sounds like she's scolding a puppy for going potty in the house. Equally awkward is the fact that Tarquin is chilling next to a mortally wounded Viper and he doesn't sound upset at all. When the blight-stricken Viper responds torso), Tarquin responds with the \"frustrated groan\" of a teenage boy who's been told his Xbox is being taken away.
Veilguard made me miss the companions of the previous games, especially characters like Sera, whom I hated at first playing as a Dalish elf. She's childish, bigoted, shortsighted, and vulgar. But I eventually came to love Sera because a well-written character provokes strong emotional responses. Plus, most of her dialogue is comedy gold, such as when she tells Blackwall she saw the Empress's bottom, only to immediately follow up with: \"Well, I didn't. I drew it and someone said it was a good likeness. That's a story about trust.\"
On the other hand, Veilguard's companions are yes-folks who constantly sing your praises and never have any meaningful conflict with one another. I grew irritated during combat that whenever I defeated a standard enemy, it was \"Nice one, Rook!\" or \"That one goes to Rook!\" Or that Rook was complimented for solving a simple puzzle after the game tells you exactly how to solve it. Imagine a scrub tech repeatedly interrupting a surgeon while performing an emergency life-saving surgery to give platitudes like, \"Great job getting that bleeder, doctor! You're doing great!\" Talk about one of the fastest ways to get thrown out of an operating room.
The never-ending barrage of praise led me to perceive that the developers of Veilguard believe that constant validation, no matter how menial the accomplishment is, makes an effective team. However, the team that truly deserves praise is the team of wildly opposing personalities putting aside their personal vendettas to accomplish a goal greater than themselves and still manage to succeed.
I cannot say that any of the Veilguard companions elicit the strong emotional response I had to characters like Sera. I have always loved the romance in the Dragon Age series, especially Alistair and Fenris. While I originally went for Cullen during my first Inquisition play-through, Solas' romance caught me by surprise, taking my breath away with his pensive disposition, unique speech pattern, and vague melancholy surrounding his interactions. I looked forward to discovering how Veilguard would conclude his relationship with a romanced Lavellan (only to be disappointed not by the final outcome but rather by how the scene played out). No adult scene was ever needed for this couple, as their cutscenes together in Inquisition painted the most beautiful picture of their tragic love and left the question of their intimacy up to interpretation.
Showing, not telling.
But I found no such connection with any of the companions in Veilguard. The personalities all feel the same--like I'm choosing between Cheerios, Rice Chex, or Bran Flakes when I really want Fruity Pebbles. I chose a \"flirty\" dialogue option for Harding early on, and I did a double take as Rook says she looks \"adorable\" when she's focused in a very patronizing manner. If this is how adults flirt, my partner and I have been doing it wrong for the last decade. In fact, most of the flirtatious dialogue sounds like something you would say platonically to a friend. I left those conversations feeling like Rook had no intimate connection with that character.
Veilguard makes a few interesting choices when it comes to dialogue. The use of modern words breaks the immersion within the well-established universe. One positive thing I have to say about Veilguard is that it does an outstanding job with diversity and inclusion. Nonbinary folks have long existed throughout history, and they deserve media representation. But what hasn't existed for as long is the actual word nonbinary. Given that Dragon Age takes place in a medieval fantasy setting, I would have loved to see the writing team create their own word that blends into the Dragon Age universe. There was an opportunity for \"The Scene\" to be a powerful and inspiring lesson on gender identity and pronoun usage, but the downright negligent execution of the scene's writing and acting draws a direct comparison to Solas giving Corypheus his orb; the weapon served to the trolls on silver platter hurt those whom this scene tries to defend. What did Josephine say about the Game? Never show your cards to the enemy.
This game is rated M/17+, but the language used makes it feel like the primary audience is 10-12-year-olds. I believe the phrase \"doing it\" was used at least three times in one cutscene describing Solas' relationship with Mythal. Even if we consider that Taash is supposed to be young and immature, aren't they and Sera close in age? Sera's language is colorful at best and downright vulgar at worst. I'm not saying that swearing necessarily makes dialogue inherently better, but the only situation in which I've ever heard \"doing it\" used is parents talking around their very young children. Even kids don't talk like that. So tell me, which character better portrays the edgy behavior of youth?
There are many instances where the text shown on the dialogue wheel does not match the character's spoken words. When speaking with the First Warden, the text of the dialogue selection I made was, \"You're an idiot.\" But what Rook actually said was, \"You need to listen to me!\" Those are two completely different sentences. And once again, with Rook's tone, no wonder the First Warden doesn't take them seriously.
Finally, I'd like to touch base again on Veilguard's fatal flaw-- the dialogue relies way too heavily on telling rather than showing. Regrets of the Wolf is possibly one of the biggest let downs in the game next to the ending. I spent countless hours devouring fan theories on the Evanuris, the Titans, the Blight, Andraste, and the Old Gods. Dragon Age has always drip-fed us morsels of lore, enough to sway but not seduce. At this point, I had already stopped playing the game, so I watched the quest on YouTube. After every memory, the Scooby-Doo gang gathers around a table and straight up tells players the answers to the questions we've waited 10 years for. As an Orlesian noble would say: where's the subtlety? Where's the intrigue? And worst of all, the characters tell us how we're supposed to feel about the revelation. This is the most fundamental plot history that the entire series is founded upon, with a conclusion so anticlimactic that it hurts.
If you read this far, thank you for your patience. While I will not be finishing Veilguard, I will be replaying the first three games and their DLC. After this experience, I think I am unlikely to pick up another Dragon Age title in the future, but I hope this feedback can help improve the next game.
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Dear Developers,
I want to start by saying that I intend to give this feedback as respectfully as possible. I mean no offense to the developers who worked hard on this title, but I want to give my honest feedback as a longtime fan of the series.
It breaks my heart to say I am putting down Dragon Age: The Veilguard. I tried to make myself enjoy this game for 32 hours, but I just couldn't. If I could demand a refund, I would. I purchased what I thought was a Dragon Age game. Veilguard is not the same Dragon Age that made me love the series. Perhaps I am no longer the target demographic for the game, but as someone who's played Dragon Age since 2009, Veilguard makes me feel alienated as a fan.
Writing, storytelling, and dialogue are the most important factors that determine whether I'll reach the end of a game. I can look past boring gameplay and outdated graphics. Even game-breaking bugs failed to destroy my love of games like Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim. But mediocre writing kills my enthusiasm for a game, no matter how good everything else is.
I came into Veilguard after just finishing Baldur's Gate 3. One of the things that always excited me about the Dragon Age series was immersing myself in the universe by role-playing the MC. I still cherish my first Warden after 15 years-- she was a human noble warrior who chose to live as a man to join her father and brother in fighting the Darkspawn. I role-played the entire game through this lens and ended the game with her
sacrificing herself to end the Blight.
I had already had an idea of who I wanted Rook to be. I chose the Antivan Crow background, intending for them to be a surly, reluctant antihero. This made sense to me, given the Crows are infamous as the most deadly assassins in Thedas. I also assumed this would be possible in Veilguard, as there were several ways to role-play the Inquisitor in Veilguard's immediate predecessor. Having options to play a new MC every playthrough is one reason why I've replayed both Origins and Inquisition multiple times.
But I was shocked that Rook appears to have a predetermined backstory and personality. No matter what dialogue options I chose, they always fit the archetype of the \"rogue with a heart of gold\" and feel like they belong in a Disney movie rather than in a Dragon Age game. For example, when I picked a justifiably angry dialogue option directed at one of the game's antagonists, he said, \"Please don't do this,\" with a pleading inflection.
This bridges into the overall tone of the game. I am concerned that this game fits the definition of toxic positivity. I expected the tone of Veilguard to be bleak given the game's circumstances:
Solas' interrupted ritual allowed two ancient blight gods to escape. These gods intend to destroy Thedas as we know it, destroying entire cities and leaving a massacre in their wake.
But the game injects a pathological amount of happiness and optimism into moments that should be anything but.
I felt extremely uncomfortable during the quest On Blighted Wings / On Deadly Wings.
I chose to go to Treviso as my Rook is a Crow. When I arrived, the atmosphere was abnormally calm considering a dragon was destroying the city. There's no emotion portrayed in the voiced dialogue from either Rook or the NPCs to convince me that anyone was in danger. And after they fended off the dragon? \"Good job! Way to go team!\" Aren't we going to acknowledge that a bunch of people just died? Shouldn't the tone be more grim? The destruction of Haven was a masterful example of characters acting appropriately in response to a tragedy (and now I have \"The Dawn Will Come\" stuck in my head).
Afterward, Rook arrives in Minrathous to find it consumed by the Blight. Neve begins reprimanding Rook for abandoning the Shadow Dragons. While the decision text states, \"Neve is devastated by the impending chaos in Minrathous,\" her admonishment of Rook sounds like she's scolding a puppy for going potty in the house. Equally awkward is the fact that Tarquin is chilling next to a mortally wounded Viper and he doesn't sound upset at all. When the blight-stricken Viper responds torso), Tarquin responds with the \"frustrated groan\" of a teenage boy who's been told his Xbox is being taken away.
Veilguard made me miss the companions of the previous games, especially characters like Sera, whom I hated at first playing as a Dalish elf. She's childish, bigoted, shortsighted, and vulgar. But I eventually came to love Sera because a well-written character provokes strong emotional responses. Plus, most of her dialogue is comedy gold, such as when she tells Blackwall she saw the Empress's bottom, only to immediately follow up with: \"Well, I didn't. I drew it and someone said it was a good likeness. That's a story about trust.\"
On the other hand, Veilguard's companions are yes-folks who constantly sing your praises and never have any meaningful conflict with one another. I grew irritated during combat that whenever I defeated a standard enemy, it was \"Nice one, Rook!\" or \"That one goes to Rook!\" Or that Rook was complimented for solving a simple puzzle after the game tells you exactly how to solve it. Imagine a scrub tech repeatedly interrupting a surgeon while performing an emergency life-saving surgery to give platitudes like, \"Great job getting that bleeder, doctor! You're doing great!\" Talk about one of the fastest ways to get thrown out of an operating room.
The never-ending barrage of praise led me to perceive that the developers of Veilguard believe that constant validation, no matter how menial the accomplishment is, makes an effective team. However, the team that truly deserves praise is the team of wildly opposing personalities putting aside their personal vendettas to accomplish a goal greater than themselves and still manage to succeed.
I cannot say that any of the Veilguard companions elicit the strong emotional response I had to characters like Sera. I have always loved the romance in the Dragon Age series, especially Alistair and Fenris. While I originally went for Cullen during my first Inquisition play-through, Solas' romance caught me by surprise, taking my breath away with his pensive disposition, unique speech pattern, and vague melancholy surrounding his interactions. I looked forward to discovering how Veilguard would conclude his relationship with a romanced Lavellan (only to be disappointed not by the final outcome but rather by how the scene played out). No adult scene was ever needed for this couple, as their cutscenes together in Inquisition painted the most beautiful picture of their tragic love and left the question of their intimacy up to interpretation.
Showing, not telling.
But I found no such connection with any of the companions in Veilguard. The personalities all feel the same--like I'm choosing between Cheerios, Rice Chex, or Bran Flakes when I really want Fruity Pebbles. I chose a \"flirty\" dialogue option for Harding early on, and I did a double take as Rook says she looks \"adorable\" when she's focused in a very patronizing manner. If this is how adults flirt, my partner and I have been doing it wrong for the last decade. In fact, most of the flirtatious dialogue sounds like something you would say platonically to a friend. I left those conversations feeling like Rook had no intimate connection with that character.
Veilguard makes a few interesting choices when it comes to dialogue. The use of modern words breaks the immersion within the well-established universe. One positive thing I have to say about Veilguard is that it does an outstanding job with diversity and inclusion. Nonbinary folks have long existed throughout history, and they deserve media representation. But what hasn't existed for as long is the actual word nonbinary. Given that Dragon Age takes place in a medieval fantasy setting, I would have loved to see the writing team create their own word that blends into the Dragon Age universe. There was an opportunity for \"The Scene\" to be a powerful and inspiring lesson on gender identity and pronoun usage, but the downright negligent execution of the scene's writing and acting draws a direct comparison to Solas giving Corypheus his orb; the weapon served to the trolls on silver platter hurt those whom this scene tries to defend. What did Josephine say about the Game? Never show your cards to the enemy.
This game is rated M/17+, but the language used makes it feel like the primary audience is 10-12-year-olds. I believe the phrase \"doing it\" was used at least three times in one cutscene describing Solas' relationship with Mythal. Even if we consider that Taash is supposed to be young and immature, aren't they and Sera close in age? Sera's language is colorful at best and downright vulgar at worst. I'm not saying that swearing necessarily makes dialogue inherently better, but the only situation in which I've ever heard \"doing it\" used is parents talking around their very young children. Even kids don't talk like that. So tell me, which character better portrays the edgy behavior of youth?
There are many instances where the text shown on the dialogue wheel does not match the character's spoken words. When speaking with the First Warden, the text of the dialogue selection I made was, \"You're an idiot.\" But what Rook actually said was, \"You need to listen to me!\" Those are two completely different sentences. And once again, with Rook's tone, no wonder the First Warden doesn't take them seriously.
Finally, I'd like to touch base again on Veilguard's fatal flaw-- the dialogue relies way too heavily on telling rather than showing. Regrets of the Wolf is possibly one of the biggest let downs in the game next to the ending. I spent countless hours devouring fan theories on the Evanuris, the Titans, the Blight, Andraste, and the Old Gods. Dragon Age has always drip-fed us morsels of lore, enough to sway but not seduce. At this point, I had already stopped playing the game, so I watched the quest on YouTube. After every memory, the Scooby-Doo gang gathers around a table and straight up tells players the answers to the questions we've waited 10 years for. As an Orlesian noble would say: where's the subtlety? Where's the intrigue? And worst of all, the characters tell us how we're supposed to feel about the revelation. This is the most fundamental plot history that the entire series is founded upon, with a conclusion so anticlimactic that it hurts.
If you read this far, thank you for your patience. While I will not be finishing Veilguard, I will be replaying the first three games and their DLC. After this experience, I think I am unlikely to pick up another Dragon Age title in the future, but I hope this feedback can help improve the next game.
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I started another play through of DAO because of this travesty. This game is a downgrade in every way tbh. We've waited so long for something I was hoping would at least be decent. But it's like they just got the industry rejects to make it. Just awful and incredibly disappointing
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I can't believe I just realized. I will probably get banned quickly, but I realized the problem. This has nothing to do with the writers or the creative team. It probably is the same reason why veteran creators of the series left.
I've only ever returned two games. One of those games was The Sims 4. I remember feeling like The Sims 4 was a heavily sanitized version of TS2 that alienated me as an older player, despite spending thousands on the franchise. And what do the two games have in common? EA.
After reading several articles and interviews on EA's marketing strategies, I 100% believe that the writers had to operate within content restrictions they had no control over. If you read all the fan theories from years ago, most of them turned out to be almost completely accurate. Bioware already had its story, but it was limited in how it could tell it. This is the second time the need to appeal to their investors destroyed a series I love.
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Very well said. I feel like he sanitizing point can extend to DAV as well. It feels like a Saturday morning cartoon, in the sense of of darkness, drama (ex between companions), can't be mean, etc. or lack thereof. They decided to ignore the brood mothers and in party bickering of previous DAs.
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I agree with so many of your points and would like to expand on why I’m feeling so jaded with the series as a whole after DAV. I will never understand why this company would lean away from compelling, fully fleshed out romances. It makes less than zero sense. It didn’t make sense when Anthem happened and it doesn’t make sense now. I’m a BioWare superfan that skipped Anthem specifically because that’s not what I want from a BioWare game. I can get mech suits and exploration from a million other companies if I wanted it (I don’t), but you know what I can’t get? Romance, especially romance while playing as a woman character, and especially not one baked into the story the way it was in the previous installments.
I will play a game that has the controls backwards and 3/4 upside down if it includes a romantic arc. Romance is the #1 selling genre of all time, and time and time again game devs and investors cut that content first. I still remember the minute little details from DAO, DA2, and DAI that made me go all girlish and giggly, and I’ve gotten nothing like that from DAV. I couldn’t wait to go back to Skyhold to see what I was in for, yet going back to the Lighthouse is an exercise in setting your expectations to near-zero and still being disappointed.
I think it’s a symptom of there being a lack of content overall, but for a player like me that will literally only buy the game because they’re established as THE name for fantasy romance, it’s the part that stings the worst. I waited ten years wondering how they were going to top Blackwall’s pained exclamation during the Well bit, Solas’ vallaslin scene, Cullen’s coin exchange, etc., and I ended up with about 10-15 minutes of mostly nothing, broke up into three scenes with 20+ hours between them. What happened?
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I completely agree with your assessment. There are so many points where the characters act or say things that make no sense. When Rook meets Taash, she is in a full blown battle with multiple other Qunari, but Rook and companion just casually walk up and watch. Then Taash says, \"oh, who are you?\" followed by other nonsensical commentary for that situation.
When Bellara fizpops the crystal in the beginning, Rook asks her what she's doing, and she says just breaking things. She just came from seeing a village devastated by the Blight and has learned two gods are going to destroy the world. Her fizpop is straight out of Mickey Mouse's Sorcerer's Apprentice.
Harding is the biggest disappointment. In DAI, she is a bad **bleep** solo special forces scout. In DAV she's a rookie, not a hardened operator, but a little girl with esteem and confidence issues, always asking Rook if he thinks she can control her new power. Argh!!!! My hero destroyed.
Unfortunately, these are just a few of a very consistent pattern with all NPC interactions. As the OP said, this is a game for kids, this is not a serious Dragon Age game. This is a worse follow up that Andromeda was to Mass Effect.
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I preface this with the understanding that everyone has a different take on everything :) , for instance I'm pretty easy to please and besides the ME 3 ending and some of the grinding I totally enjoyed my experience throughout ME1, ME2, ME3 and yes, even Andromeda. That being said, the dialogue in Veilguard struck me as immature (really, really bad) and made me cringe throughout the game. However, I enjoyed the graphics, storyline and battle mechanics.
If I can't get some indication that the new Mass Effect dialogue is much better than this I'm not sure I want to even try it. It honestly put a damper on my enjoyment of Veilguard and the continuation of Dragon Age. I really don't want that to happen to what I've already enjoyed with Mass Effect.
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I have spent thousands of hour playing The Dragon age series from DA Origins to DAI. In DAI alone before EA discontinued Origin Platform way over 2000 hrs., although they show less than 1000hrs. on the EA Platform. I can only guess the amount of time I spent playing the Dragon Age Series combined is somewhere around 6 to 7 thousand hrs. I say this first to indicate my love for the series and the modders. Not included is time spent reading the entire DA book series. I love reading anyway and the books really made playing the games even more enjoyable. The freedom of modding the games, brought new life into the games. Like Assassins Creed Origin and some others is not a part of the Assassins Creed series, Although they are considered good standalones.
Veilguard is not a sequel to DAI. In my opinion it should have been presented as something that occurred after Solas left and the elves started disappearing is a thought. Ever since the reviews where confirmed the DAI inquisitor would not be exported into Veilguard I knew I would not be buying it. Can the developers fix this at this stage? Maybe.
Veilguard in my opinion may be a good standalone and many DA fans I think expected a sequel to DAI, I know I did. I was looking forward to the DAI Inquisitor to be apart of Veilguard with others who knew Solas better than anyone new. There is a cliff hangers attached to DAI. It would have been better in my opinion to have ended it with DAI rather than leave romance cliff hanger, friendship cliff hanger, and the games cliff hanging ending. There is no closer for it's fans. Dragon Age: Tevinter Nights the original cliff hanger. That is the Solas I expected to see. The Solas that comes to the inquisitor in her dreams, never getting close enough to touch. My applause to the DA author and all the DA modders. EA developers I wish you well.
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You expressed everything I'm currently feeling with this game. Toxic positivity through and through.
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I disagree with the technical and gameplay criticisms, but fully agree with what you are saying about the writing and narrative.
Where DA:O, DA2, and DA:I were tonally akin to DC Comics and Witcher, DA:VG flipped the tone into Marvel and Fate: The Wynx Saga. Everything is much too bright and unrealistcally cheerful given the circumstances and the world they are in. Hard topics like prejudice, discrimination, and slavery were entirely glossed over. Trauma were dealt with very light touch or simply thrown in the background to be ignored (like Jacobus).
If you disliked what they did with the Crows, you'd be pulling your hair out like me over what they did with the Nevarrans and Mortalitasi. I picked Mourn Watchers because I wanted to explore that aspect of Nevarran society (which may or may not be influenced by my canon playthrough of romancing Cassandra), only to find that \"Black Magic is cool! Undead are cute!\" full on Addams Family/Nightmare Before Christmas vibes they created for Emmerich, complete with a skeleton butler whose portrayed more like a pet nevermind how disrespectful it is to the dead and just handwaved it claiming each part were a \"donation.\" When I got to that part I was like, wtf I don't want my Prussian-inspired grim soldier of Nevarra Rook to be associated with this guy.
Ignoring the fact that Veil Jumpers exists and is mainly populated by techno-babbling Dalish (which was already a BIG ask) it really completely destroyed the world building of the 3 prior games. The Lords of Fortune's HQ Hall of Valor showing people casually chatting up fade spirits while competing in an arena further spits on the worldbuilding of Thedas.
I don't understand why companies do this. The core player base were people who played Dragon Age Origins in 2009, people who are around 40 now, people who are used to the world that was built and refreshed and reaffirmed with Inquisition. Why PG-13-ify the story for a mass appeal when it already has a 17+ M rating? Why not just create a new IP at that point? Did they stop making Batman movies just because Marvel was more popular in recent years? No.
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Feel the same about the game. Really enjoy the combat but the story and dialogue doesn't do it for me. I found Emmrich to be the one companion with any kind of nuance to him, so I went in to romance him with my very middle aged/older looking Rook. I was then surprised that, without telling me anything about this before, the game predetermined that my Rook was actually young enough for the age gap with him to raise eyebrows amongst the other companions. All the rp potential seems to just have been squandered, and the story and feeling itself feels so divorced from what I came to know as Dragon Age.
Another comment on this thread also mentions the disappointment they felt with what they had done with Nevarra and its necromancy, and I really agree on that as well.
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