Re: f1 2024 PSvr2

Honestly, it's a fairly simple equation for CM. How easy/time consuming is it to implement PSVR2?

What percentage of our players play on PlayStation?

Of those who play on PS5 how many have virtual reality headsets?

TLDR, You need to reach come sort of critical mass in terms of player base to make it worthwhile and I'm inclined to agree with @ScarDuck14 that it seems unlikely.

Also given the number of bugs, glitches and lack of innovation relating to core gameplay features that tend to accompany every new release I think the community would be better served by them focusing on those issues instead of implementing something that's going to be used by less than 5% of the player base.

Agree, as much as I love GT7 w PSVR2, I think the likihood is almost nil. Disappointed that Sony is not apparently supporting PSVR2 more agressively. A poor job by CM at the expense of a better overall release would not help.

Probably far more people than play split screen mode which they spent time and resurces on. Not to mention the serious sim racers who only play in VR who will be live streaming on YouTube and give this a miss if they don't take the VR mode seriously on PC and offer the mode on playstation. 

Gran turismo VR was huge and transcended the genre in terms of player interest. 

@lufc100 Gran Turismo is more targeted at a hardcore sim audience though. F1 is simcade with heavy emphasis on the cade part.

The average consumer for EA/CM just wants to pick a up a controller and go wheel to wheel with Verstappen, Hamilton, LeClerc and the gang for an evening. VR isn’t going to be a selling point to them like it was to the GT crowd.

GT7 is made by Polyphony Digital, a first party studio owned by Sony.

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@TheRagebeard wrote:

@lufc100 Gran Turismo is more targeted at a hardcore sim audience though. F1 is simcade with heavy emphasis on the cade part.

The average consumer for EA/CM just wants to pick a up a controller and go wheel to wheel with Verstappen, Hamilton, LeClerc and the gang for an evening. VR isn’t going to be a selling point to them like it was to the GT crowd.

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I would disagree that GT is targeting the hardcore sim racing crowd, as its long been pitched pretty much to the broader car culture fandom. Its been derided by the hardcore PC based sim users as too arcade. It offers a large range of car related themes besides competition - history, collecting, photo, liveries, customization. From a sim perspective the title has improved, and force feedback has improved a lot (and now much better than F1 IMO), there’s still a big (and competitive) pad player base as well.

But the VR implentation moves it up massively - the modeling of the cars and tracks greatly adds to both immersion and the driving experience. Tracks in flat view I didn’t like or do well on changed for me dramatially when running in VR.

Cost wise yes, the entry point is high, but the total $1200 investment is still competitive with the PC options if you don’t have a gaming PC, and a lot less hassle.

I would love to have F1 support PSVR, but agree that CM has other pressing priorities to spend money on (hopefully more wisely than recently).

But my decision to spend a few casual hours driving doesn’t go very often to F1 2X, in spite of being a longtime follower, and some of that is due to the immersion while driving in VR.

If the money was there I think the VR option on PS5 would add positively to the perception of the title, and would certainly increase the time I’d spend w it

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@Neil_RS60 wrote:

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@TheRagebeard wrote:

@lufc100 Gran Turismo is more targeted at a hardcore sim audience though. F1 is simcade with heavy emphasis on the cade part.

The average consumer for EA/CM just wants to pick a up a controller and go wheel to wheel with Verstappen, Hamilton, LeClerc and the gang for an evening. VR isn’t going to be a selling point to them like it was to the GT crowd.

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I would disagree that GT is targeting the hardcore sim racing crowd, as its long been pitched pretty much to the broader car culture fandom. Its been derided by the hardcore PC based sim users as too arcade. It offers a large range of car related themes besides competition - history, collecting, photo, liveries, customization. From a sim perspective the title has improved, and force feedback has improved a lot (and now much better than F1 IMO), there’s still a big (and competitive) pad player base as well.

 

But the VR implentation moves it up massively - the modeling of the cars and tracks greatly adds to both immersion and the driving experience. Tracks in flat view I didn’t like or do well on changed for me dramatially when running in VR.

 

Cost wise yes, the entry point is high, but the total $1200 investment is still competitive with the PC options if you don’t have a gaming PC, and a lot less hassle.

 

I would love to have F1 support PSVR, but agree that CM has other pressing priorities to spend money on (hopefully more wisely than recently).

 

But my decision to spend a few casual hours driving doesn’t go very often to F1 2X, in spite of being a longtime follower, and some of that is due to the immersion while driving in VR.

 

If the money was there I think the VR option on PS5 would add positively to the perception of the title, and would certainly increase the time I’d spend w it

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Not being funny but EA don't get paid by how much you play the title, they get paid if you buy it. Wake up and smell the ☕

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@SteveJackson wrote:

Not being funny but EA don't get paid by how much you play the title, they get paid if you buy it. Wake up and smell the ☕

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Thx Steve - Doh I NEVER would have guessed that 😉-  but it does seem they do try and make SOME added money via regular play using micro trans, and for an anual title, hope I would buy it again each year, which gets less likely if I’m NOT playing it

The last F1 game I bought was 2020, which at first was largely down to the fact that the game barely changes each year and now because of lack of VR. If it's still the case that people would rather see improvements to the core game that they've been waiting on for years over PSVR2 support, then isn't it about time people question what the money is going into each year? At least with something new like PSVR2 support being added, we know the money has gone into a genuine improvement in the game.

I also don't get the argument that there is a stigma around VR because it is anti-social. Gaming in general is anti-social. It's often a person sitting on there own, in a room, playing a video game. It doesn't matter if you're wearing a VR headset or not. No-one who is not in that room with you is going to know. 

The most social gaming I've had in recent years is because of VR. I can't for the life of me play horror games in VR on my own, so me and a couple of mates will go through the Resident Evil games and take it on turns doing sections of the game in VR. Still bloody scary, especially when someone decides to creep up on you when you have the headset on. The alcohol does help to calm the nerves though.

Same in GT7 VR. We'll pick a car and a track and set fastest laps and we take it in turns to beat eachothers ghost cars. Works really well. Everyone who tries PSVR2 a my house wants one, but the cost of the headset is the factor, not any stigma around VR itself.

@superhoops82What do you mean.. Question where the money is going? If there are any profits it goes the same place as it always goes.. To EA and shareholders. And they don’t have to justify to us where the money goes.

As for antisocial. Most people live in a house with other people who in most cases interact with those other people. Be it roommates or family members. Your looking at it from your point off view and not other people’s

“Still bloody scary, especially when someone decides to creep up on you when you have the headset on. The alcohol does help to calm the nerves though.”

This is another big factor why people don’t like wearing a headset.   They feel vulnerable.  Which you have just proven 

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@ScarDuck14 wrote:

@superhoops82What do you mean.. Question where the money is going? If there are any profits it goes the same place as it always goes.. To EA and shareholders. And they don’t have to justify to us where the money goes.

As for antisocial. Most people live in a house with other people who in most cases interact with those other people. Be it roommates or family members. Your looking at it from your point off view and not other people’s

“Still bloody scary, especially when someone decides to creep up on you when you have the headset on. The alcohol does help to calm the nerves though.”

This is another big factor why people don’t like wearing a headset.   They feel vulnerable.  Which you have just proven 

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Then they won't put money into making the game better either then if that's what people are waiting on...

I didn't say I play videogames in a room on my own personally, but a lot of people do. FYI, I play videogames in my living room, in a sociable setting, with my wife on the same sofa as me. She'll play Astrobot and Moss VR with me, or just chill out doing her own thing while I play GT7 VR and we manage to even chat while I'm driving too... even with the VR headset on! The headset only goes over the eyes, not the mouth, as those who have never owned one may not know.

As for the "vulnerability", yeah some may feel that and if so then VR isn't for them. My mates creeping up on me is just them having a laugh. No need to overthink it.

Anyway, gaming is about enjoying other experiences from your home, playing as different characters, living in another world. VR brings you right into the middle of it beyond what a flat screen can do and I ruddy love it.

@superhoops82I also have my ps5 in my lounge and it’s the only console/pc I have.

If I was wrong why are have Sony themselves admitted that they are disappointed with VR sales. To the point they have shut down or moved studios that were working on VR games etc to other projects. Not to mention they are working on making VR compatible with PC… to help sales.

You’re looking at it from your pov. As in you think it’s amazing and it is an amazing bit off kit. But not that amazing that makes people want to buy it

Yes your mates creeping up on you is them having a laugh I know this I’m not simple.   But your missing the point 

@ScarDuck14 I'm not disputing the sales figures of PSVR2 at all.  I don't know the actual figures (I'm not sure anyone other than Sony really do). My point is that I think the main reason for lack of customer adoption of the hardware is due to cost, rather than people thinking using VR is anti-social or people feeling vulnerable.  

Quest alone have sold 20 million of their headsets. Imagine if it was that affordable for the PSVR2 and PS5 combo.  Sufficient demand for VR is out there. Just depends on cost.

Going back to my point on social and anti-social gaming. That's up to the individual. Gaming can be as social or anti-social as the gamer wants it to be, whether it's VR, flat screen TV or handheld device. If people want to play games on their own, that's absolutely fine. It makes no difference if you're wearing a VR headset or not.  Also, it's not like all gamers, like myself,  are  playing games (whether in VR or not) 24/7, we do have social lives away from gaming too. I probably game about 10 hours a week at the most. My preference for socialising is going to the pub, but like VR for other people, I'm being priced out of that too! Over £7 a pint in many places in London...

@superhoops82There are countless more applications other than games that VR is used for on PC hence why quest has sold so many.

I know how much a Pint is.  I live  in east London

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@ScarDuck14 wrote:

@superhoops82There are countless more applications other than games that VR is used for on PC hence why quest has sold so many.

I know how much a Pint is.  I live  in east London

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Don't forget, you don't need a PC to use a Quest...

@superhoops82Did I not mention pc that post🤷🏻‍♂️😂. Incidentally there are countless millions more PC than there are PS5s

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@ScarDuck14 wrote:

@superhoops82Did I not mention pc that post🤷🏻‍♂️😂. Incidentally there are countless millions more PC than there are PS5s

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I said you DON'T need a PC to use a Quest, which makes it significantly cheaper than PSVR2 which requires a PS5, plus the PSVR2 headset alone is more expensive anyway.

Anyway, we're getting distracted here.  Back to my original point. Let's hope they add PSVR2 support for an F1 game at some point in the future.  Whether it be options, game modes or support for hardware/accessories, it is always better to have more of those than less.  I'm sure that's something we can all agree on.

It doesn’t have to be just about profit. You have an official F1 license to make a game of the highest levels. You have to do it with the most advanced elements like F1 is in reality. PlayStation is increasingly an important market in racing simulation. Let's think about GT7 and F1 and the best proof is Fanatec with now several PS compatible products. There are even 2 bundles exclusively for GT7. They have just launched an F1 - PS bundle. I believe that the arrival of EA changed the philosophy of Codemasters, profitability above all, developing for as many platforms as possible for greater profit. I think they are on the wrong track!! Looking at the comments about F1 pre-orders, 95% of users are not going ahead with F1 24 because there is nothing new! It doesn't matter if you do VR, PSVR2 would have been a shockwave that would have shaken things up. Too bad if PSVR2 is not supported with F1 24, after purchasing all the F1, I did not join 23 and as long as there is no VR for PS I will not go back ! I do not encourage mediocrity.

@Meteore yeah, that's my feeling. I'm sure there is profit from adding PSVR2 support. I don't know the cost for adding in PSVR2 support, but seeing as it's already supported on PC, I'd have thought it would be cheaper than starting from scratch.

I was looking into when Codemasters brought out Dirt Rally VR. Original PSVR had sold about 800,000 headsets at that point, which is below the number of sold PSVR2 headsets currently. So it's not like we're below a certain number of headset sales that could trigger developer support for PSVR2, unless it's different for this latest headset.

I also read that F123 sales were 47% lower than F122 at launch, so the series could do with a kick, which something like PSVR2 support could bring.  Are the current sales figures for F123 out there? I tried looking, but only saw something about them hitting the 200,000 mark.  There are 1.2 Million PSVR2 owners out there apparently for comparison. 

@MeteoreIt’s absolutely about profit… Don’t know if you’ve seen but gaming industry is making huge lay offs especially AAA studios. Not to mention a load of big upcoming AAA games have been cancelled. If publishers don’t think games will meet their margins they are cancelled.

FPS + Mandalorian + Respawn =. Banger…. Just got cancelled.

Minimal viable content for AAA prices is what AAA games are now

Ended up getting in the same conversation last year and just went round and round.   Did they add it last year?  Nope.   Will they add it this year? Maybe… but personally I doubt it.    I’ll try not to reply on this thread any longer 

@Meteore @superhoops82 "If you build it....they will come" isn't a strategy that even VC would readily embrace at this juncture.

Only just started watching this but this video is relevant to discussion 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=he-AvQl9v0s