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@RSall14 wrote:
They nerfed it on purpose to curb people spamming delay of game penalties. They always use these bandaid fixes rather than have a system in place to detect and boot people for abusing it.
I don't know where we said this was the reason. Regardless, I would love to see it addressed as well and will pass on the feedback. The team is aware of it though.
If it's even possible I'd want it something like this. So anything outside of the green area would do what it does for NHL 24. Anything inside the green would act like it was in NHL 23. Also I think the height needs slightly raised on the NHL 24 flip because it's way too low.
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:If it's even possible I'd want it something like this. So anything outside of the green area would do what it does for NHL 24. Anything inside the green would act like it was in NHL 23. Also I think the height needs slightly raised on the NHL 24 flip because it's way too low.
This would be perfect, IMO.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@RSall14 wrote:They nerfed it on purpose to curb people spamming delay of game penalties. They always use these bandaid fixes rather than have a system in place to detect and boot people for abusing it.
I don't know where we said this was the reason. Regardless, I would love to see it addressed as well and will pass on the feedback. The team is aware of it though.
You guys make significant changes like this without explanation, of course people will then make assumptions in regards to the "why" behind the "what"
Maybe you can provide us with some of the discussion that took place regarding the mechanic and the change or request an official statement on it?
Community ManagerNo matter what we say, people are going to come up with their own opinions that they believe are real. I definitely agree we need to explain things better though and we've also made the pledge that we're going to do a better job of that. More details are coming. We're going to have to wait until the game fully launches. We also aren't going to announce any update details until we are absolutely sure it's coming. It's always possible something can come up in the final moments that cause a delay. So, rather than announce something and pull it back, which then upsets the community, we'll wait until we have confirmation and then make the announcement.
Another thing.
Every single time you pass the puck, it brings up these buttons that you CANT turn off. Along with this obnoxious beep sound.
Every. Single. Time.
Guys, several people saw this. Designed it. Reviewed it. And thought it was a good idea. It’s utter insanity. I just wanna make a pass. I just want to dump the puck in. I want a game that resembles the sport I like. I have no idea what this is anymore. If you’re an offline player like me and you’re reading this before having bought the game, I highly recommend you download the trial first. Maybe these things won’t bother you. But offline simulation is clearly a thing of the past.
Community ManagerPart of the reason dumps were changed is that the previous functionality would make it too easy to evade the pressure system. We also had a lot of requests for making it easier to dump the puck off the glass so this was intended to help with that. Keep in mind, the first couple of weeks are always a period of adjustment. It's very possible we will all adapt and not have a problem clearing. We need to let everyone settle in to the new game before big changes are made. However, this is on the list of potential tweaks so it's possible that could happen.
@Cote12 wrote:
@dannythetemp
The fact that they designed dumps to look this way, on purpose, and then left it in the game… is laugh out loud funny. Imagine working all year on this game and then showcasing it to a real life hockey player— and then that player has to be like “Wow… that’s… really cool. Good job buddy.” Like it’s some stupid macaroni picture.
I am completely dumbfounded, not just by this decision, but by the attitude towards this sentiment. Of course these people work very hard on this game; of course they love the sport; and of course they want us to be happy. But how am I supposed to react when something so integral to the game gets reduced to a weak little fart? How am I supposed to take any of it seriously when they worked so hard all year— while I impatiently waited, excited— just to see something so bananas crazy?
Imagine instead if it had been a slapshot? And the puck just gave a limp squirt like these dumps? I don’t understand. How does this get designed and then survive rounds of testing and review?? Is it an oversight, or intentional?
I’m not trying to hate. I love the games. I love the sport. And I know many people work very hard to make it happen. That’s precisely why I’m so frustrated. Because this is certainly not the only obvious hockey issue in the game.
All I can say is AMEN 🙏
I also use the HIGH dump in 23, when in my zone as a D sometimes to throw a "long bomb" to one of my forwards leaving the zone early… You should see the smile on my face when it connects 😀
Brings so much to the game, the freedom, the organically ways of making a play without barriers. When I say this, it’s because the idea of Follisimo is not a bad one per say, but it will put another stick in your wheels… Now where am I on the ice ? Am I the spot where I’m gonna blooop a fart or am I good here ?
The way it is for the user now in 23 is perfect. The longer you hold it, the higher it goes, the shorter time you press the button, it goes for a softer/lower dump… Organically !
@Cote12 wrote:
@PernellKarl027
Dude. Every time we score a goal in this game, it goes to an immediate cutscene—a very intimate and dimly-lit cutscene—where our player celebrates amid his meandering teammates who appear to be ghosts in search of the soul that this game has sucked out of them.
Just think.
Somebody came up with this idea and thought it was good. And then other people had the chance to be like “Um, no lol. This is a hockey game.” And nobody did. They all clapped at the macaroni art and then slapped a hundred dollar price tag on it, wondering why we’re not clapping along.
Now don’t get me started with this goal CELLY 😳 I’ve done it in other threads and I decided not to buy 24 just because of that !!! Other big issues I can't also digest that are game breakers for me, but it only goes to show you what I think about this one… And the fact that they said it was there to stay also eased my decision…
This is not meant to bash the game and to just vomit everywhere. I love this sport more than anything, but when they come up with things like these, wouldn’t there be a way to make it optional ?
They must have put tons of hours when they came up with the ON ICE TRAINER. It’s awesome for people that learn the game. KUDOS to EA for that ! But, they also made it as an option. You don’t like having a Christmas tree on the ice, well you can turn it OFF.
Same thing must have been done with the Pressure Meter, when you design something like this, just design it in way that you can toggle the thing off… No ?
@EA_Aljo I'm surprised this was changed just to accommodate the pressure system. This just cripples defense even more, especially on the penalty kill. I thought the pressure system rewarded puck control and shots in the zone? If you lose control of the puck on the power play, why should the defending team be penalized for that? In the NHL, this is something players can do quite easily, and quickly, even if they are on a long shift, it is crucial for those players as well to quell the pressure of the attacking team on the PK.
Taking this out for this reason, to make offense easier, is an odd decision. Defensive tools need to stop being nerfed while offense gets boosted every year. Offense gets one button dekes, defense gets a modification to checking and a limp dump. Whether we adjust or not, if you have a computer player, they have the same problem, and most times it results in a turn over. I'm glad the team is aware of it and hopefully there is a fix for this. We shouldn't have to charge up for a few seconds to dump the puck.
@EA_Aljo wrote:Part of the reason dumps were changed is that the previous functionality would make it too easy to evade the pressure system. We also had a lot of requests for making it easier to dump the puck off the glass so this was intended to help with that. Keep in mind, the first couple of weeks are always a period of adjustment. It's very possible we will all adapt and not have a problem clearing. We need to let everyone settle in to the new game before big changes are made. However, this is on the list of potential tweaks so it's possible that could happen.
So you added the pressure system to make good defensive play even more difficult, then took away a tool for the defense to deal with it. Why does EA insist on make offense easier and easier every year and defense harder and harder? Hockey isn't just about offense.
Using PS5 terms, just make the high flip be R1+stick and the low flip be R2+stick. This is the best idea.
So just to make sure that ,this new mechanic works as intended you make sure you hinder defense even more ,it"s bad enough that when this pressure meter kicks in , it becomes almost impossible to get the puck back and when you do , you have to hope an AI team mate is open to pass to or be able to skate it out ,but your so gassed that it becomes almost impossible to do so...what a disgrace
Flipping the puck out of the defensive zone under pressure or to create a play is part of hockey ...what will be nerfed next being able to slap the puck out of the defensive zone ....absolute garbage
Community ManagerIf it's too easy to dump the puck to the other end of the ice, it kills the pressure too easily. It's possible we'll see adjustments though. I've passed the feedback on to the team. Thank you.
Here's an idea— increase the accuracy of dumping the puck off the glass & decrease the accuracy of clearing the puck from your zone instead of decreasing the height of the pass.
@RatedxPGxEnigmaJust go back to the way it was ,if you take a penalty you take a penalty it's part of hockey
Community Manager
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@EA_Aljo So they actually rigged the game to make sure this new offensive ragging tool works as intended ,what a joke
No. The game is not rigged. The pressure system doesn't serve much of a purpose if it can be easily canceled. It is supposed to be challenging. I'm in agreement the puck doesn't dump high enough and would like to see it adjusted, but it's not rigged.
@EA_Aljo wrote:If it's too easy to dump the puck to the other end of the ice, it kills the pressure too easily. It's possible we'll see adjustments though. I've passed the feedback on to the team. Thank you.
This is literally what every NHL team does to relieve pressure when hemmed in their zone.
I get that the dev team has to come up with ways to combat the online meta, I just think it would be cool if they used creative hockey solutions instead of arcade features and complete nerfs of mechanics.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Treatmentworke66 wrote:
@EA_AljoSo they actually rigged the game to make sure this new offensive ragging tool works as intended ,what a jokeNo. The game is not rigged. The pressure system doesn't serve much of a purpose if it can be easily canceled. It is supposed to be challenging. I'm in agreement the puck doesn't dump high enough and would like to see it adjusted, but it's not rigged.
Why is the challenging part only applied to the defensive side of the situation? If it's supposed to be challenging, then it should be challenging on both sides. The offensive team losing control of the puck should face the possibility of the defensive team dumping the puck, and have to deal with that in the same way the defense has to deal with the consequences of not being able to gain control of the puck in their own zone. Why is it that only one side is penalized?
This mechanic seems to be shoehorned in to work by nerfing a viable defensive play. There should have been more thought around the design and implementation of this if the solution was to severely restrict a valid hockey play. Unless you are on the PK, you can't even slap the puck down because you'll just get an icing called. So sans PK, you don't have a valid way to decrease pressure other than skating it or passing it out, which by the way, is much harder when all of your energy is drained.
By the way, the Michigan was also challenging, but that was basically put into easy mode. So again, it seems like it's always the defensive side that is being nerfed while the offense gets easier every year. I know you are just the messenger, but I really hope the team starts to put more thought into both sides of play.
