A problem ignored for a whole decade: Arenas and awards time.

And where would the Crystal Revenue come from then?  That's literally the only reason these modes exist 

There’s a tremendous amount of things the OP is saying on my behalf I don’t agree with. Or maybe they’re just projecting what they think as what everyone thinks. 

Nobody bothers with one of the two arenas anymore. The other one provides crystal income. I can login whenever I want for other aspects of the game.

As the first 2 responses, you're certainly not defending my feelings on the Arenas.  I doubt you're defending many that have been playing the game for a long time or are knowledgeable about the game.  I believe that is important as new players opinions will change over time and experience.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

The concept of the Regular Arena and Fleet Arena has been a thorn in the side of many players for 10 years.

A thorn in the side?  hmmmmm  Firstly, Arena and Fleet Arena are 2 very different things now. 

Arena changed in importance when Grand Arena arrived and when the crystals were removed.  What is Arena now?  I do one battle there for my daily rewards.  I may......use it as a sandbox mode for GAC if there's a team with a datacron that matches what I'm facing in GAC.  However, that's very rare.  It's not a thorn in anybody's side as it's quite irrelevant.  No good players that are short of time put any importance or time into Squad Arena.  Believing they do, shows ignorance.

Is Fleet Arena a thorn in the side?  I will concede at times it can be stressful, in that you may not have time to move up in the small window you are given.  Also, when the meta is difficult (thankfully not for a long time) it can be a right thorn in the bum-bum, that's for sure.  It also is unfair for a minority of players that are playing with absolute evil gits.  However, the vast majority of established players, that know how to play the game........................wouldn't want changes here.  I've moved to a small guild from my past, and it's the number one thing I'm drilling into them; invest in your meta fleet and invest time into Fleet Arena.  Once newer players learn this, they'll be in a much better place.

I doubt many players that play the game well would request changes to either Arena.  Could they be better, yes.  Are they 'a thorn in the side', I don't believe so for most people.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

To truly give players more free time in the game, there was no need to remove such a wonderful game mode as Galactic Challenges.

I absolutely despised Galatic Challenges.  I'll readily admit that I might be in the minority here though.  The 'challenge' part was an 'annoyance'.  "Galatic Annoyance" would be more accurate......for me.  I really don't understand how GC was released without some sort of feat counter; some feats you had no idea if you were even doing the right thing.  At least with Conquest, you can check the feat counter afterwards.  With GC you could misunderstand what you had to do, or CG could miscode it and you'd have no idea.  Potentially, you could spend hours wasting your time.  I could never get my head around not having a feat counter; it felt like it was released unfinished.

The 'Challenge' part was 'a thorn in my side'.  I'd give what I thought I had to do one go, if it didn't work I'd just wait for the "Hello, my holotable heroes" YouTube video.*   I had very little interest in reading all the information, thinking about a squad that'll work and trying it.  That's me though, I'm sure many  loved doing it.

I did kinda look forward to GCs starting at times (something new to do), but you certainly don't speak for me in that they are missed.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

Players waste at least two hours every single day on these outdated, boring game modes. Regular Arenas.

I very much doubt this is the case for most players.  Firstly, if players are wasting time on Squad Arena, that's by choice.  There's no reason to do this.  They either have the time to waste or don't know what they're doing.  Secondly,  you may be semi-engaged with Fleet Arena for up to 2 hours, but you're not actively wasting time for 2 hours.  For me, it's zero time on Squad Arena and maybe 15 minutes on ships (I ALWAYS go second in Leviathan mirror matches 200% of the time).  With a fair RNG it'd be 4 minutes?  Again, I really don't believe you're speaking for most 'players'.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

on these outdated, boring game modes.

I certainly can't disagree with this, they are boring and outdated.  However, there are things most of us want CG to touch and things we don't want CG to touch.  If Mr CG came sniffing around my Ship Arena, I'd gladly point him in the direction of TW.  "Go and ruin that even more instead!!"

Jarpin3786 wrote:

They should have been removed or reworked long ago.

Removed, strongly disagree.  Reworked, I don't want to see it, but maybe there's a case for that.  High on the priority list?  So low Arenas are in one of those deep trench thingys in the ocean, totally out of sight.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

You can't imagine what a gift it would be for players if you found a way to remove this routine from the game forever.

No no no.  I can't speak for the 'players', but neither can you.  However, before you make suggestions like this, I feel you should have a very good understanding of the game modes and the overall environment.  I strongly feel that .....you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with this sentence.  It'll be a gift to me if CG leaves Ship Arena the **** alone for the next 10 years, especially the rewards.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

So that people could log in whenever they want, and not when the alarm goes off that

Well, you don't have to remove the game modes to achieve this goal, right?  I think this idea definitely has scope.  If you're spending the evening at your grans and she's not impressed with you taking that 'dang-fangled what-nob' out of your pocket every 7 minutes, it would definitely be better if you could pick a quiet time (for you and your shard) to do your climb.  

As for 'the alarm going off', possibly you have picked (or been forced to pick) a really poor time to do your climb?  If forced to.....my commiserations.  But again, you're not speaking for the majority.

Personally, from experience I wouldn't want CG touching Arenas.  My confidence in the company doing the right thing/things correctly is at an all time low.  I very much think that neither need to be touched; I can't feel anything prickly digging into my love handles!  I think some of your minor points (timing) have merit though.  For most of what you wrote however, I strongly feel you are not speaking 'for the players' and have a strong, aggressive minority opinion that isn't echoed by many that understand the game well.  

*Tongue and cheek poke at BitDynasty.  I'm an absolute massive fan of his.

They pretty much eliminated areana as a concern when they got rig of the crystals since you only need to make one attempt for dailies So your 

The hour for fleet areana isnt static your likely only spending a total of at maximum 25 minutes doing fleet areana during that hour andyou can do the vast majority of your other maintance while you do your climb. 

It can be annoying as you need to feel out who is active to know who not to attack as some people love to screw you our of crystals and will do stupid stuff like spent crystals to keep themselves places. There is a power strugle there. but you won't have 20 people like that in the top 20 at bst you have 2 or 3 

Some fleet shards are different from others. I'm in one of the incredibly active shards and I wish climbing only took me 25 minutes each day. 

I know of others who have never dropped out of the top 20 in years because their shard is so inactive. I drop out of the top 20 every day and frequently drop much further than that. 

You know, I don't have any serious issues with Arenas. I've been playing for a long time. And I'm always near the top during my allotted rewards time. But I'm willing to sacrifice that to give other players at least something. I hate it and reluctantly participate in this mafia where top players take up their own time and prevent other players from climbing higher. I think removing crystals from the Squad Arena was a brilliant decision. But CG stopped there, when they should have ruthlessly pushed through. The Squad Arena is a worthless, outdated mode where it's impossible to test new packs without spending energy, unlike the Galactic Challenges you hate—the only place where you could actually test your packs without spending energy.

Conquest, Grand Arena, Guild Wars, Territory Battles, Galactic Challenges. These are good modes that don't require logging in at a specific time and waiting every five minutes for a new round. It's convenient. It doesn't turn the game into a chore. Outdated arenas do. If you like that, it's a stale approach, reeking of masochism and a love of bullying weaker players, demonstrating one's own perceived superiority over them.

You don't like Galactic Challenges. You don't like it when a game makes you think. It tests your roster. It tests your knowledge of your characters and their abilities. You prefer to dominate the weak and think less with your brain. 😏

People itt are posting like the concept of removing crystals from fleet is an unthinkable crime against players who place top 5 daily. CG could do anything they want. They could do a hundred different things. Triple daily rewards from GAC ranking placement. There, done. Switch FA to rewards based on highest placement achieved in 24 hours instead of place held at the moment the clock runs out. Move fleet crystals to GAC, like they did with SA, just double all crystal rewards for every aspect of GAC. 

There are ways to fix this. CG could do it they wanted to. They don't. We know that. 

Transfer crystals to other game modes. It worked with Squad Arena, right? And the only people complaining about it were those who liked to bully other players by preventing them from reaching the top spot during their reward time. 

It's inevitable that the crystals will be taken from the fleet arena. It will happen sooner or later.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

I don't have any serious issues with Arenas.

Then, why are we here?!

Jarpin3786 wrote:

I'm always near the top during my allotted rewards time. But I'm willing to sacrifice that to........

OK, so now you're listing totally different reasons for removing Arenas than your original debate-essay.  Reasons that actually have more foundation......

Jarpin3786 wrote:

I hate it and reluctantly participate in this mafia where top players take up their own time and prevent other players from climbing higher. 

Not mentioned originally, and reasonable and empathic.  I too feel this way.  However, a large portion of those excluded have only themselves to blame.  I do get the sentiment though.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

I think removing crystals from the Squad Arena was a brilliant decision. But CG stopped there, when they should have ruthlessly pushed through.

Again, you never even made it clear you understood this, let alone mentioning it as a core reason.  I'm unsure what are the full effects of removing crystals from Arena.  However, as CG are pushing for GAC to be dominated more and more by P2W.....I doubt it's had the Robin Hood effect that you wish.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

The Squad Arena is a worthless, outdated mode where it's impossible to test new packs without spending energy,

Well you get 5 attempts without spending any crystals (energy?).  Squad Arena doesn't have the modifiers that Galatic Challenges had.   You can also test vs a variety of meta PvP teams that you could not do in Galatic Challenges.  In fact how much realistic testing could you do in Galatic Challenges?!  Some, but limited surely?  

For me personally, I would say Arena is better for testing compared to GC.  However, I will concede that I do very little testing.  If I'm unsure on how a GAC match up 'could go', I may test it out first........and Arena is the best place for that.....much better than GC.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

Conquest, Grand Arena, Guild Wars, Territory Battles, Galactic Challenges. These are good modes that don't require logging in at a specific time and waiting every five minutes for a new round.

Well, yes and no.  TW and TB can be very time specific depending on how seriously your guild takes it.  GAC is another area where some players feel leaving it stressfully late gives them the advantage.  Conquest is also very 'energy reliant' (see your above point).   However, in my original reply I conceded you did have a point here..................so I'm not sure why you're using this argument or feel the need to eradicate a game mode.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

It doesn't turn the game into a chore.

For you.  Again, you're confusing how you feel and how others feel.  I find TB immensely chore-like.  Conquest is very chore-ish  too!  I doubt many wouldn't think like that....  I think you're reaching, if you're using this comparison as your argument.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

reeking of masochism

:😐

Jarpin3786 wrote:

and a love of bullying weaker players

Well, if we're in a shard together we started together, right?  We're only stronger or weaker due to what we've put into the game.  However, yes I do get your point, and I also am uneasy/do not like it.  I wish you thought this point was worthy of being a central argument of your original piece.  I do worry that we are self-policed.  However, most of the self-policing done, is fine.   Though again, there are horror stories.

I don't trust CG enough to change Arenas and make the game better or make rewards as good generally for the 'weaker player'.  Do these weaker players do any better (on average) with the crystals being moved from Arena to GAC?  We've seen so many that have practically ejector-seated there way into Carbonite, due to the amount of time GAC takes (compared to Arenas).   This counters a large part of your original argument.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

reeking of masochism and ................... demonstrating one's own perceived superiority over them.

Ermm.... what?

Jarpin3786 wrote:

You don't like it when a game makes you think.

Now, you're straw-manning me.

Jarpin3786 wrote:

You prefer to dominate the weak

No, no, stop that.....I don't want to be straw-manned!

Jarpin3786 wrote:

and think less with your brain.

Stop it, NOW stop it!  Stop this straw-man stuff!

Jarpin3786 wrote:

If you like that,............reeking of masochism

😳

Jarpin3786 wrote:

love of bullying weaker players, demonstrating one's own perceived superiority over them.

No, no for the love of all things creamy! Stop with these strawman arguments!!!    Perlease!

Jarpin3786 wrote:

reeking of masochism

😬

harvestmouse1 wrote:

No, no for the love of all things creamy!

Do what now?