Ventress is another one of those characters that are relatively strong/intimidating in lore, but don’t rise to the occasion in-game. It can be fun using her at times, but her current kit doesn’t allow for her to be put to use in arena without becoming a HUGE target. So I thought of some changes:Gear level 3:Swap out: Mk 3 Arakyd Droid CallerSwap in: Mk 3 A/KT Stun GunWhile marginal in nature, this change would give her a small speed increase as well as a more proportional boost in power. Nothing major tho.Also, I personally think her basic and leader abilities are fine the way they are.Strike Fear (3 turn cooldown)“Dispel all positive status effects from all enemies and Asajj recovers 40% of her Max Health. For each effect dispelled this way, Asajj recovers an additional 9% Max Health.” (removed turn meter reduction chance)Omega: In addition, Asajj has a 40% chance to grant all allies Critical Chance Up for 1 turn, and a 75% chance to grant Nightsister allies Speed Up for 2 turns.The main reason for this change is to compensate for the AI’s unfortunate inability to discern when it is appropriate to use her mass dispel ability (such as when an opponent only has Defense Up buff and/or toons like Phasma or QGJ have yet to apply their respective team buff abilities). Secondary reason, to help strengthen Nightsisters’ viability (and help offset that craaazy low speed).As it sits right now, this ability upgraded to level 6 grants a 50% chance to remove 10% TM on Dispel, level 7 grants +5% Heal, and at level 8 (omega), +3% Bonus Heal. The current level 6 ability could be replaced with that of the current omega, making room for this proposed fix. At least it would kinda-almost-sorta live up to its name now :DEndless Wrath (4 turn cooldown)“Deal Special damage to all enemies and refresh all cooldowns on a finishing blow.”My only suggestion here is that the omega upgrade be buffed from +15% damage to +20% damage. I say this because for some odd reason I feel her AoE is still somewhat lackluster. Maybe it’s just me tho.Rampage (unique)“Whenever any ally or enemy is defeated, Asajj Ventress gains Offense Up and Critical Chance Up for one action, with a 25% chance to also gain 35% turn meter. In addition, when Asajj Ventress is defeated, Nightsister allies gain Potency Up for the rest of the encounter and gain 10% turn meter.” Again, making an attempt to render Nightsisters teams stronger little by little. I was thinking the bolded portion could serve as the new lvl 6 ability upgrade (currently +2.5% TM gain), with the lvl 5 ability increasing from +2.5% TM gain, to 5% (to make up the difference).The idea here is that the Potency Up buff cannot be dispelled. So, instead of displaying the buff icon floating over top the toons, simply have the words “POTENCY UP” in green pop up as they attack; similar to how the word “STUN” displays in red when a toon gets stunned.I’d greatly appreciate some feedback on this! Making fair adjustments can be somewhat of a challenge lol. I just reeaaally wanna be able to use Ventress in arena more often without having my rank suffer for it!@CG_JohnSalera @EA_Jesse

You are giving her some common sense quality of life improvements, but I actually had something a bit more significant in mind for Ventress. Since she is so slow, I wanted to give her a way to ramp up reliably, and prevent her from just being punished for not being able to act until everyone else has already gone. Also given how high her life steal is the heal on Strike Fear is redundant and causing er AI to glitch out so I removed it entirely in favor of a more beneficial/interesting set of effects. Gear 8 switch Mk 4 A/KT Stun Gun for Mk 8 TaggeCo Holo LensGear 10 switch Mk 6 Chiewab Hypo Syringe for Mk 7 Nubian Security Scanner Cruel StrikeDeal Physical damage to target enemy and inflict Damage Over Time for 2 turns with a 35% chance to Stun for 1 turn.Strike Fear 3 turn cooldownDispel all positive status effects and remove 40% Turn Meter from all enemies, then gain positive status effects for 2 turns based on the number of enemy effects dispelled. 1 dispelled: Advantage, 2 dispelled: Critical Damage Up, 3 dispelled: gain 100% Turn Meter.Rampage - renameAssassinAsajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth. Whenever any ally or enemy is defeated, Asajj Ventress gains 35% Turn Meter as well as Stealth, Offense Up and Critical Chance Up for 1 turn.

I have her at lvl80, 7*(just did yesterday). Yes, I would like to see it become a slightly higher speed. Honestly, I don't find the rationale why Asajj should have such a low speed. I also don't want its power greatly reduced, so that it doesn't turn into one more poor Darth Sidious, who lost his individuality. :("Ronon_Dex;50040" wrote:Gear level 3:Swap out: Mk 3 Arakyd Droid CallerSwap in: Mk 3 A/KT Stun Gun as it should be? This will be done automatically or we have to do something for it? I have her gear 9, lacks one piece to gear 10. I'm just afraid that we will lose in this case, because some of the parts I bought for crystals. Also I not sure that it is necessary to remove her ability to self-healing.

@medetec Interesting ideas. I especially like the one about her starting the game in stealth for a turn. It could almost make up for her criminally-low speed. Also, I like your insight on the new Strike Fear ability; gaining buffs based on the quantity of enemy buffs. Personally, I'd still prefer if she could retain her self heal (which kindaaa follows lore from TCW), but your ideas are most definitely intriguing!@Talia My rationale regarding the gear piece switch is that it would be done automatically (assuming she has already been upgraded past gear level 3). It's a small changeup that would boost her speed by +4 (a marginal amount, I know, but isn't so bad if she's the leader of the squad). To be honest, Ventress may even need a rework similar to Ahsoka's where she begins a match with +X amount speed. Like you mentioned, I don't fully comprehend how Ventress (or Ahsoka for that matter) could've been given such low speeds to begin with. Ahsoka got her rework; now it's Asajj's turn.

"medetec;511003" wrote:Cruel StrikeDeal Physical damage to target enemy and inflict Damage Over Time for 2 turns with a 35% chance to Stun for 1 turn. Damage over time, and everyone will say that it is OP."medetec;511003" wrote:Strike Fear 3 turn cooldownDispel all positive status effects and remove 40% Turn Meter from all enemies, then gain positive status effects for 2 turns based on the number of enemy effects dispelled. 1 dispelled: Advantage, 2 dispelled: Critical Damage Up, 3 dispelled: gain 100% Turn Meter. But she always dispell nearly all of the positive effects, and it will make her too advanced, and again, so tell all. "medetec;511003" wrote:Asajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth. I like it. In fact, all you suggestions make sense, if it's speed will remain at the same low level, yes.-------With regard to its ability self-healing: it so happens that her need for healing and need to remove the enemies positive effects don't match. It depends how strong the opposing teams well as the current state of health of your team, I mean, your healer may at any time apply the treatments, even Asajj good health. But because it is very vulnerable (and as the enemy tries to kil her), it must have an alternative way of healing, i.e., doesn't depend on your healer. It may be necessary at any time. (And even that doesn't make her too advanced).

"Ronon_Dex;513370" wrote:........@Talia My rationale regarding the gear piece switch is that it would be done automatically (assuming she has already been upgraded past gear level 3). It's a small changeup that would boost her speed by +4 (a marginal amount, I know, but isn't so bad if she's the leader of the squad). To be honest, Ventress may even need a rework similar to Ahsoka's where she begins a match with +X amount speed. Like you mentioned, I don't fully comprehend how Ventress (or Ahsoka for that matter) could've been given such low speeds to begin with. Ahsoka got her rework; now it's Asajj's turn.Thank you.

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medetec
9 years ago
You are giving her some common sense quality of life improvements, but I actually had something a bit more significant in mind for Ventress. Since she is so slow, I wanted to give her a way to ramp up reliably, and prevent her from just being punished for not being able to act until everyone else has already gone. Also given how high her life steal is the heal on Strike Fear is redundant and causing er AI to glitch out so I removed it entirely in favor of a more beneficial/interesting set of effects.

Gear 8 switch Mk 4 A/KT Stun Gun for Mk 8 TaggeCo Holo Lens
Gear 10 switch Mk 6 Chiewab Hypo Syringe for Mk 7 Nubian Security Scanner

Cruel Strike
Deal Physical damage to target enemy and inflict Damage Over Time for 2 turns with a 35% chance to Stun for 1 turn.

Strike Fear 3 turn cooldown
Dispel all positive status effects and remove 40% Turn Meter from all enemies, then gain positive status effects for 2 turns based on the number of enemy effects dispelled. 1 dispelled: Advantage, 2 dispelled: Critical Damage Up, 3 dispelled: gain 100% Turn Meter.

Rampage - rename

Assassin
Asajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth. Whenever any ally or enemy is defeated, Asajj Ventress gains 35% Turn Meter as well as Stealth, Offense Up and Critical Chance Up for 1 turn.
lmLady3
9 years ago
I have her at lvl80, 7*(just did yesterday). Yes, I would like to see it become a slightly higher speed. Honestly, I don't find the rationale why Asajj should have such a low speed. I also don't want its power greatly reduced, so that it doesn't turn into one more poor Darth Sidious, who lost his individuality. :(
"Ronon_Dex;50040" wrote:

Gear level 3:
Swap out: Mk 3 Arakyd Droid Caller
Swap in: Mk 3 A/KT Stun Gun

as it should be? This will be done automatically or we have to do something for it? I have her gear 9, lacks one piece to gear 10. I'm just afraid that we will lose in this case, because some of the parts I bought for crystals.
Also I not sure that it is necessary to remove her ability to self-healing.
K1D_21
9 years ago
@medetec Interesting ideas. I especially like the one about her starting the game in stealth for a turn. It could almost make up for her criminally-low speed. Also, I like your insight on the new Strike Fear ability; gaining buffs based on the quantity of enemy buffs. Personally, I'd still prefer if she could retain her self heal (which kindaaa follows lore from TCW), but your ideas are most definitely intriguing!

@Talia My rationale regarding the gear piece switch is that it would be done automatically (assuming she has already been upgraded past gear level 3). It's a small changeup that would boost her speed by +4 (a marginal amount, I know, but isn't so bad if she's the leader of the squad). To be honest, Ventress may even need a rework similar to Ahsoka's where she begins a match with +X amount speed. Like you mentioned, I don't fully comprehend how Ventress (or Ahsoka for that matter) could've been given such low speeds to begin with. Ahsoka got her rework; now it's Asajj's turn.
lmLady3
9 years ago
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Cruel Strike
Deal Physical damage to target enemy and inflict Damage Over Time for 2 turns with a 35% chance to Stun for 1 turn.

Damage over time, and everyone will say that it is OP.
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Strike Fear 3 turn cooldown
Dispel all positive status effects and remove 40% Turn Meter from all enemies, then gain positive status effects for 2 turns based on the number of enemy effects dispelled. 1 dispelled: Advantage, 2 dispelled: Critical Damage Up, 3 dispelled: gain 100% Turn Meter.

But she always dispell nearly all of the positive effects, and it will make her too advanced, and again, so tell all.
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Asajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth.

I like it. In fact, all you suggestions make sense, if it's speed will remain at the same low level, yes.
-------
With regard to its ability self-healing: it so happens that her need for healing and need to remove the enemies positive effects don't match. It depends how strong the opposing teams well as the current state of health of your team, I mean, your healer may at any time apply the treatments, even Asajj good health. But because it is very vulnerable (and as the enemy tries to kil her), it must have an alternative way of healing, i.e., doesn't depend on your healer. It may be necessary at any time. (And even that doesn't make her too advanced).
lmLady3
9 years ago
"Ronon_Dex;513370" wrote:

........@Talia My rationale regarding the gear piece switch is that it would be done automatically (assuming she has already been upgraded past gear level 3). It's a small changeup that would boost her speed by +4 (a marginal amount, I know, but isn't so bad if she's the leader of the squad). To be honest, Ventress may even need a rework similar to Ahsoka's where she begins a match with +X amount speed. Like you mentioned, I don't fully comprehend how Ventress (or Ahsoka for that matter) could've been given such low speeds to begin with. Ahsoka got her rework; now it's Asajj's turn.

Thank you.
medetec
9 years ago
"Talia;514842" wrote:
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Cruel Strike
Deal Physical damage to target enemy and inflict Damage Over Time for 2 turns with a 35% chance to Stun for 1 turn.

Damage over time, and everyone will say that it is OP.
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Strike Fear 3 turn cooldown
Dispel all positive status effects and remove 40% Turn Meter from all enemies, then gain positive status effects for 2 turns based on the number of enemy effects dispelled. 1 dispelled: Advantage, 2 dispelled: Critical Damage Up, 3 dispelled: gain 100% Turn Meter.

But she always dispell nearly all of the positive effects, and it will make her too advanced, and again, so tell all.
"medetec;511003" wrote:

Asajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth.

I like it. In fact, all you suggestions make sense, if it's speed will remain at the same low level, yes.
-------
With regard to its ability self-healing: it so happens that her need for healing and need to remove the enemies positive effects don't match. It depends how strong the opposing teams well as the current state of health of your team, I mean, your healer may at any time apply the treatments, even Asajj good health. But because it is very vulnerable (and as the enemy tries to kil her), it must have an alternative way of healing, i.e., doesn't depend on your healer. It may be necessary at any time. (And even that doesn't make her too advanced).

Overall the Stealth mechanic is the part I want most, but I think the rest works without making her too strong.

Kylo and Tusken Shaman have a multiple effects on hit including a DOT, no one says anything about them. They are still incredibly underpowered. I don't think adding a DOT will do very much, it just fits her theme and gives her synergy with Talia. That damage boost is minor.

Having additional effects based on the number of buffs dispelled adds strategy, as using it just to clear a taunt is good but maybe you want to hold it for more. Asajj is so underplayed, and does so little damage I dont see this being a problem. Certainly not in the hands of the AI.

On self healing, She already heals about 40% of her HP on a good basic and almost a full 100% heal when using her AOE because of health steal. The heal on strike fear is both redundant and a huge problem for her AI.

This is all considering she stays slow, no buffs to speed. If she was FAST and had this kit she would probably be overtuned. The kit here is designed to let her have an interesting ramp up mechanic, but if shes already fast then its just power over the curve instead of ramping her up to being strong. Then again, QGJ is fast and probably still has a stronger hit that what's proposed here so...
lmLady3
9 years ago
"medetec;515543" wrote:

Overall the Stealth mechanic is the mart I want most,

Agree.
"medetec;515543" wrote:

Kylo and Tusken Shaman have a multiple effects on hit including a DOT, no one says anything about them. They are still incredibly underpowered. I don't think adding a DOT will do very much, it just fits her theme and gives her synergy with Talia. That damage boost is minor.

I have found justification for this! One Asajj's ability was not implemented in the game. In reality Asajj had the ability to strangulation. This is precislity Damage over time.
"medetec;515543" wrote:

Having additional effects based on the number of buffs dispelled adds strategy, as using it just to clear a taunt is good but maybe you want to hold it for more. Asajj is so underplayed, and does so little damage I dont see this being a problem.

Probably it can give a lot of use cases, yes, but honestly I don't think that she could be so in reality, because she has a lot of failures. But she was a good strong fighter.
Well, I inclined to such an option:
1. You suggestion - Asajj begins the battle with 1 turn of stealth. And Damage over time.
2. And the speed Required! Because she could fight with several opponents, as it would be possible in reality, if it was there the same speed as here in the game?!! Unbelievable.
lmLady3
9 years ago
Probably really Asajj's underestimate, probably no one is run it, otherwise we would have had other opinion here..
Edit: maybe not everyone will agree with me, but it seemed to me that the AI of some of the chars look better than others, it's strange. I dont mean the difference between your team and the opponent team, I talking about all of the chars... mmm.. f.e, yesterday, it seemed to me that AI has improved at the droids...
Valariel198
9 years ago
In the lore Asajj is a very fast and agile attacker. In game she is a slug, even as leader. I sincerely feel that boosting her speed by as much as 60 (!!) points, putting her on par with QGJ, would NOT make her overpowered. I have on many occasions had an ally die, her rampage proc, and they kill her before she gets to use it because she is so slow.
nista002
9 years ago
I wouldn't recommend trying to get them to rework her like ahsoka. Ahsoka is still bad, and just became a lot worse with mods because her base stats are so low that the percentages barely do anything.