Captain Rex Marquee Event Problems

Yeah, so basically, imagine a Defense of 1000 (much more than most toons have).

1 arbor shred cuts defense by 500. But the next starts at 500 and so only cuts defense by 250. Since the job of defense is to be used in the Armor calculation (and for reasons I won't get into that will never cut to zero) what you see is the Armor stat fall from somewhere around 80% or 70% to lower and lower values.

If you begin with an armor stat of 80% that means 80% of damage is blocked. So if you reduced Armor to 0%, incoming attacks would do, effectively, 5x the damage.

But there's a minimum threshold based on that weird mathematical function that converts Defense to Armor. I don't remember the minimum, but let's call it 20% (it's almost certainly higher).

So the most you can change the damage is to increase it 4x, not 5x.

But when you take that 1000 Defense and cut it to 250 with those first 2 Armor Shreds, you've already cut 75% of the increase from 20% to 80%. That spread is 60%. Cutting it by 75% means the new Armor is 20% + (25% of 60%) = 35%.

At this point, even though you've only done 2 Armor Shreds, incoming attacks have gone from doing 20% damage to doing 65% damage, or 3.25x the original damage, pre-Armor Shred.

The problem is going from 65% of max possible damage to 80% of max possible damage is a RELATIVE increase of only 23%. And you'll get most of that on your next 2 Shreds.

The long and short is that at the beginning Armor Shred has tremendous power to increase your damage. But by the time you've gotten 4 Armor Shreds the best you can hope for with infinitely many Shreds is actually less than +10% more damage.

You started out hoping for 4x the damage, at 4 Shreds you're hoping for another +10%. The good part is that you've already gotten most of the benefit. You are approaching 4x your original damage.

The bad thing is that most people seem to want the 97th armour shred to have the same effect as the 2nd armour shred, and that's just not how it works.

After 4 or 5 there will be no impact to the enemy.

This is slightly overstating. After 10-12 there will be no observable effect. After 20 there should be zero effect at all, observable or not. If you've got 4 stacks of Armor Shred then between those 4 and when you get to effective maximum the best you can hope for is about +8% damage compared to that inflicted at 4 stacks. And that's assuming a tank enemy, with lots of armour to shred. If your enemy is an attacker at 4 stacks of Shred, you might already be at 97%+ of the damage you can ever possibly achieve, even with 20+ stacks.

Whether there is still potential for noticeable improvement depends on how hard you're looking, but also other things -- some characters (like Han and Lando) have high damage variability. Even at 4 stacks the amount of damage variability will be significantly higher than that 3-8% possible remaining improvement in damage.

In other words, at 4 stacks you might not have gotten every last point of improvement you could ever hope to have, but you've gotten enough that natural damage variability might be larger than any remaining improvement. At 5 stacks this will be true even with tanks. So at 5 stacks you can expect RNG to have a bigger effect than another stack of Shred.

I have to believe that anyone that's letting this go on for more than a few minutes has to be doing it for the lulz. Seriously folks - if this takes more than a few minutes, something has gone wrong and you need to restart. It's utterly senseless to let this go for an hour or more.

CG clearly didn't test this thoroughly but if you're waiting an hour to see if suddenly the battle is going to turn in your favor, that's on you. CG should have done better here. They really should have - but several people have posted the following:

Target bossk, hit auto, if he makes it to contract before he dies, restart.

That's literally the entire strategy. I've tried the event multiple times now and it works more often than it doesn't.

The one silver lining here is that it's been really entertaining seeing how many stacks of armor shred people get on a given run. This should make the armor shred feat in conquest (even more) trivial lol.

It took several minutes for sure but I won on my first try.
Focus Zam first and take care of the combo stun+mass assist. It has to be done at the right time.
It is long but doable.

On the other side, at this time, there is no reason to farm that toon considering his presented kit..

"Bigfish_Aus;c-2427930" wrote:

"Krjstoff;d-264337" wrote:
I really don't get all the fuzz. I played it manually - won both tiers first try.
Today I did the following 5 times in a row:

Tier 1: Target Chewbacca and hit auto.
Tier 2: Hit auto.

Maybe you can get bad RNG and have this fail, but I haven't seen it yet...

Wish I was this lucky. Tier1 I didn’t have a problem but Two hours now playing manually using basics and stuns every chance and not even making any headway regardless on how I play it. More important things in the real world than spending 2 hours on a game going no where.

Did you try just hitting auto as soon as you start tier 2?

"Bigfish_Aus;c-2427945" wrote:

Auto is pretty bad to do it with as they regain too much protection from special attacks. Ended up getting it done but it seems very RNG bias.

Maybe it is... I'm up to 10 consecutive attempts without any losses. So I'll have to conclude that the only thing stopping the "hit auto"-approach from working, would be bad RNG.

People that are saying that this tier 2 event is "easy just press autoplay" or that we need to "play manually, just takes few minutes", I would like to answer all you with this: if this character is supposed to help in winning battles with the teams that are proposed (I am thinking maybe GA or Conquest - but not only those) and to win those battles you take more than 5 minutes, than this new character becomes immediately useless and not worth to farm.
I think it is worth to let Capital Games know about this issue if they want people to buy it, don't you think so?

"Ferie;c-2427953" wrote:
People that are saying that this tier 2 event is "easy just press autoplay" or that we need to "play manually, just takes few minutes", I would like to answer all you with this: if this character is supposed to help in winning battles with the teams that are proposed (I am thinking maybe GA or Conquest - but not only those) and to win those battles you take more than 5 minutes, than this new character becomes immediately useless and not worth to farm.
I think it is worth to let Capital Games know about this issue if they want people to buy it, don't you think so?

I don't think people are downplaying that it's kind of a bonkers matchup. They are just offering advice on how to beat it.

Anyway, despite them trying to make the fight more realistic, we still don't know all the stats, there's no accounting for mods, etc. (And how many people zeta Dengar?)

But this may not be the matchup people are using Rex for in 3v3 anyway. But it's definitely a weird fight to try and sell the character on.

Nice event. Previous marquees were supposed to show how character can be used. This one, on the contrary, demonstrates how it shouldn't be used. Which is actually pretty important piece of information due to lack of sandbox mode in the game. :)

"herd_nerfer;c-2427932" wrote:
The one silver lining here is that it's been really entertaining seeing how many stacks of armor shred people get on a given run. This should make the armor shred feat in conquest (even more) trivial lol.

It won't. Those are coming from his omicron, which is for 3v3 GA.