Credit Crunch

"m0rality;182995" wrote:

"papnwors;182729" wrote:

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Requoted for absolute truth. Honestly people who disagree either feel like suckers for spending money on credits or just aren't high enough level to understand the problems.

As other have stated and I am in the same boat that people will pay less and less for crystals to unlock toons that just sit there staring at you because you can never afford to level them. Chromium packs have become absolutely useless.

You can unlock them, and sacrifice actually getting some tangible progression but who who do that and neglect a toon of higher level for weeks on end? It's blatantly stupid and it's bad game design, end of story.

^^^ Another sensible post. The credit crunch is causing people to stop spending money on packs/crystals instead of buying credits. They won't increase their spending. Without credits the crystals are useless, so they DECREASE spending on the game....definitely not what we or EA want. We all want a healthy game.

The problem with this theory is that people ARE spending money on credits. Basically there are people on the forums who aren't happy with the credit price/credit increase but for some reason they seem to think they are in the majority.

I do agree - those that won't buy credits in turn won't buy packs but I think it's still likely they'll get the energy refreshes however there are also people who will pay or those who are f2p and will just farm the credits as intended.

I can speak for EA nor have I seen their numbers or projections but I imagine that they are seeing sales of credits/crystals/packs in the right areas for their business model. I also imagine those upset with credits for whatever reason make up a very, very small minority in relation to the number of players on their global market

There's an impressive amount of doom and gloom in this thread... Also, people who think they're oracles with the actual ability to read the game developers' thoughts.

It's funny when ppl try to say that gear selling was removed as a strategy to limit the amount of credits available. Gear used to sell for 20-40 credits a piece. Let's say you had 200 extra of a piece (which would take at the very least 1,200 energy to get, assuming 100% drop rate), that would net you a grand total of ~4,000-8,000 credits. Just by comparison, you get 5,000 credits per 12 energy in the late cantina battles today.

The new credit packs consistently net more than the old packs of 595,000 credits (with a small chance to double or triple this amount). I read some here claim that the overall payout was reduced. Having bought plenty of credit packs both in the old and the new system, I feel that the amount of credits received is consistent. I'd love to hear some hard facts backing this claim up instead of just insidious rhetoric.

Finally, the Profit mining event. Previously, you could only play it for an hour per day and it cost 50 energy to play. This means that it just wasn't possible to play it more than at most four times per day, and that's assuming you were still using at least one crystal refill. Nowadays you can play the event whenever and how many times you want. The payout has been reduced accordingly.

* We now receive 3x 45 bonus energy every day, which corresponds to a little more than five free Profit minings per day (or 42,000 free credits if you prefer - more of course, if you get the x2 or x3 bonus).
* The post lv60 levels for questing all give higher credit rewards (lv7 battles are consistently about +30% higher in credit rewards than lv6, look it up).
* Cantina credits at the post lv60 levels increased by 10%, from 4,500 to 5,000.
* The Bounty hunter challenge post lv60 goes from 83,3K to 93,3K - translating into an extra 90,000 credits per week.

Next time, if you want to discuss the evil and greed of the developers, at least make a small attempt to make a fair case. Don't just pile up all the negative and then jump to malicious conclusions. That's why we can't have nice things.

"Nonemo;183045" wrote:
There's an impressive amount of doom and gloom in this thread... Also, people who think they're oracles with the actual ability to read the game developers' thoughts.

It's funny when ppl try to say that gear selling was removed as a strategy to limit the amount of credits available. Gear used to sell for 20-40 credits a piece. Let's say you had 200 extra of a piece (which would take at the very least 1,200 energy to get, assuming 100% drop rate), that would net you a grand total of ~4,000-8,000 credits. Just by comparison, you get 5,000 credits per 12 energy in the late cantina battles today.

The new credit packs consistently net more than the old packs of 595,000 credits (with a small chance to double or triple this amount). I read some here claim that the overall payout was reduced. Having bought plenty of credit packs both in the old and the new system, I feel that the amount of credits received is consistent. I'd love to hear some hard facts backing this claim up instead of just insidious rhetoric.

Finally, the Profit mining event. Previously, you could only play it for an hour per day and it cost 50 energy to play. This means that it just wasn't possible to play it more than at most four times per day, and that's assuming you were still using at least one crystal refill. Nowadays you can play the event whenever and how many times you want. The payout has been reduced accordingly.

* We now receive 3x 45 bonus energy every day, which corresponds to a little more than five free Profit minings per day (or 42,000 free credits if you prefer - more of course, if you get the x2 or x3 bonus).
* The post lv60 levels for questing all give higher credit rewards (lv7 battles are consistently about +30% higher in credit rewards than lv6, look it up).
* Cantina credits at the post lv60 levels increased by 10%, from 4,500 to 5,000.
* The Bounty hunter challenge post lv60 goes from 83,3K to 93,3K - translating into an extra 90,000 credits per week.

Next time, if you want to discuss the evil and greed of the developers, at least make a small attempt to make a fair case. Don't just pile up all the negative and then jump to malicious conclusions. That's why we can't have nice things.

+1

"Starjumper;183039" wrote:
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As other have stated and I am in the same boat that

The problem with this theory is that people ARE spending money on credits. Basically there are people on the forums who aren't happy with the credit price/credit increase but for some reason they seem to think they are in the majority.

I do agree - those that won't buy credits in turn won't buy packs but I think it's still likely they'll get the energy refreshes however there are also people who will pay or those who are f2p and will just farm the credits as intended.

I can speak for EA nor have I seen their numbers or projections but I imagine that they are seeing sales of credits/crystals/packs in the right areas for their business model. I also imagine those upset with credits for whatever reason make up a very, very small minority in relation to the number of players on their global market

Actually it's quite easy to see the +/- 10 place drop in "top grossing" in the AppStore since they artificially and deliberately ruined the credit economy. It's not guess work.

There are also sites that track income of apps and you can see the game taking in less and less every week.

It's concerning as we all have a love for the game and wish for it to succeed, but without them dropping out the top 50 I guess we will continue to be ignored.

You simply cannot deny that people are spending less and less due to the game killing all progression and becoming a pure and proud money grab.

People are not going to keep paying for credits when they've spent weeks grinding shards and gear. Not even the most fantastic and fun game in the world would get away with such a blatant con. People will not continually but credits for months on end unless you have an endless supply of money and ignorance.

Sure some people may be buying credit packs, but from the stats you can see that it is not a large percentage, certainly not large enough to stay in top 10 grossing. The majority are spending less and less. Perhaps the devs should read the forums instead of thinking that making more unobtainable toons will push up their income.

There is no credit crunch just a major lack of patience. You want everything, you want it now, and you want it at the price you choose. If this game makes you miserable because they raised the cost of 600k credits from 2$ to 4$. I have an idea find a game you enjoy. Because gaming is about having fun not whining about every little thing.

"Nonemo;183045" wrote:

It's funny when ppl try to say that gear selling was removed as a strategy to limit the amount of credits available. Gear used to sell for 20-40 credits a piece. Let's say you had 200 extra of a piece (which would take at the very least 1,200 energy to get, assuming 100% drop rate), that would net you a grand total of ~4,000-8,000 credits. Just by comparison, you get 5,000 credits per 12 energy in the late cantina battles today.

Which is why the amounts that the items sold for should have been updated, rather than removing the interface and leaving us with gear in excess quantities that has no use and no planned use (per the devs).
I tended not to sell items there but some people did. Some even sold excess training droids, and this could amount to hundreds of thousands of credits.
Fewer options is worse than more.

"Nonemo;183045" wrote:

The new credit packs consistently net more than the old packs of 595,000 credits (with a small chance to double or triple this amount). I read some here claim that the overall payout was reduced. Having bought plenty of credit packs both in the old and the new system, I feel that the amount of credits received is consistent. I'd love to hear some hard facts backing this claim up instead of just insidious rhetoric.

I'll concede this point due to admitted lack of experience, since I refuse to use them. But I've seen a lot of people say they are netting less.

"Nonemo;183045" wrote:

Finally, the Profit mining event. Previously, you could only play it for an hour per day and it cost 50 energy to play. This means that it just wasn't possible to play it more than at most four times per day, and that's assuming you were still using at least one crystal refill. Nowadays you can play the event whenever and how many times you want. The payout has been reduced accordingly.

This is completely inaccurate. It never took very long to run the event, and people could (and did) refill energy multiple times if they needed credits. Many people used this to get far greater quantities of credits than are possible now.
The hour was never a limiting factor, and removing it has no relevance when the new system pays out so poorly. Even attempting to justify this change is bizarre.
We were told the new event would be an improvement. It objectively is not, and everyone knows it, most importantly including them.

"Nonemo;183045" wrote:

Next time, if you want to discuss the evil and greed of the developers, at least make a small attempt to make a fair case. Don't just pile up all the negative and then jump to malicious conclusions. That's why we can't have nice things.

I actually haven't made a small attempt to make a fair case. I've made a LARGE attempt to make a fair case: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/14099/generosity-analysis
That includes many of the items you mentioned and dozens more.
I never said the company was greedy in all respects. But they are being so here. I always strive to give credit where it is due. However, I also will call things out that are negatives when I see them.
Beyond the credits themselves, there is a simply the matter here of doing what you say you are going to do, or explaining why you did not. We were repeatedly told that the old credit event would be improved. Many people held off rather than use it on this basis, and instead it was massively nerfed, and all feedback about it is completely ignored. There is no justification for this.

"LukeSkywalker420;183129" wrote:
There is no credit crunch just a major lack of patience. You want everything, you want it now, and you want it at the price you choose. If this game makes you miserable because they raised the cost of 600k credits from 2$ to 4$. I have an idea find a game you enjoy. Because gaming is about having fun not whining about every little thing.

Have you read a single message in this thread? Or just trolling?

"Starjumper;183039" wrote:

"m0rality;182995" wrote:

"papnwors;182729" wrote:

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Requoted for absolute truth. Honestly people who disagree either feel like suckers for spending money on credits or just aren't high enough level to understand the problems.

As other have stated and I am in the same boat that people will pay less and less for crystals to unlock toons that just sit there staring at you because you can never afford to level them. Chromium packs have become absolutely useless.

You can unlock them, and sacrifice actually getting some tangible progression but who who do that and neglect a toon of higher level for weeks on end? It's blatantly stupid and it's bad game design, end of story.

^^^ Another sensible post. The credit crunch is causing people to stop spending money on packs/crystals instead of buying credits. They won't increase their spending. Without credits the crystals are useless, so they DECREASE spending on the game....definitely not what we or EA want. We all want a healthy game.

The problem with this theory is that people ARE spending money on credits. Basically there are people on the forums who aren't happy with the credit price/credit increase but for some reason they seem to think they are in the majority.

I do agree - those that won't buy credits in turn won't buy packs but I think it's still likely they'll get the energy refreshes however there are also people who will pay or those who are f2p and will just farm the credits as intended.

I can speak for EA nor have I seen their numbers or projections but I imagine that they are seeing sales of credits/crystals/packs in the right areas for their business model. I also imagine those upset with credits for whatever reason make up a very, very small minority in relation to the number of players on their global market

It is all speculation on our part, but I think that more than a few players will not increase their credit buys to support their crystal buys. Instead they will decrease crystal buys.

@Qeltar your post above is appreciated and speaks from a place of honesty and sence. It is almost impossible to understand @Nonemo with avoiding all logic and giving myself mild brain damage beforehand. I simply cannot understand how someone can disagree.

It's like being an EA fanboy and thinking they can do no wrong even though the facts that credits have been nerfed to the ground in order to forcefully boost revenue are as clear as day.

It's simple either they do something about it or we all lose the money we have spent so far when the game is slowly crippled and folds. Anyone who disagrees needs to do some research. Not hard to find a list of IAP incomes and follow them. People in general will not and do not buy credits packs and merely turn to other games that give a feeling of progression.
At the end of the day that is why people spend money in apps to feel like they have progressed.

"m0rality;183379" wrote:

"Starjumper;183039" wrote:

"m0rality;182995" wrote:

"papnwors;182729" wrote:

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Requoted for absolute truth. Honestly people who disagree either feel like suckers for spending money on credits or just aren't high enough level to understand the problems.

As other have stated and I am in the same boat that people will pay less and less for crystals to unlock toons that just sit there staring at you because you can never afford to level them. Chromium packs have become absolutely useless.

You can unlock them, and sacrifice actually getting some tangible progression but who who do that and neglect a toon of higher level for weeks on end? It's blatantly stupid and it's bad game design, end of story.

^^^ Another sensible post. The credit crunch is causing people to stop spending money on packs/crystals instead of buying credits. They won't increase their spending. Without credits the crystals are useless, so they DECREASE spending on the game....definitely not what we or EA want. We all want a healthy game.

The problem with this theory is that people ARE spending money on credits. Basically there are people on the forums who aren't happy with the credit price/credit increase but for some reason they seem to think they are in the majority.

I do agree - those that won't buy credits in turn won't buy packs but I think it's still likely they'll get the energy refreshes however there are also people who will pay or those who are f2p and will just farm the credits as intended.

I can speak for EA nor have I seen their numbers or projections but I imagine that they are seeing sales of credits/crystals/packs in the right areas for their business model. I also imagine those upset with credits for whatever reason make up a very, very small minority in relation to the number of players on their global market

It is all speculation on our part, but I think that more than a few players will not increase their credit buys to support their crystal buys. Instead they will decrease crystal buys.

I agree here. Problem is for the 100,000 people that decide not to buy credits or crystal packs there are probably 300,000 who increase their spend on credits and crystal packs of so EA's bottom line isn't being hit.

Personally I'll buy crystals as and when within reason. Touch wood I haven't had to buy credits as yet as I was having a good run on GW but last 2 days Ive struggled so a credit purchase may be required soon