Did tb kinda kill this game?

"Viserys;c-1352328" wrote:
The problem described here has a lot of prongs:

On the one hand, yes, we are seeing lots of veteran players leave the game in response to TB, but I wouldn't say they are leaving "because of TB". More that they were burning out and getting exhausted for a while, and TB contributed to that burnout, and did little to pull them back.

This portion is insightful.

When this game began, there was little to it. Collect a little bit each day and you're done. People interested in collection and Star Wars hopped on board. Yes, there was arena and eventually GW, but it was still mostly collect a little bit, and you're done.

Then came guilds and Rancor. That added a little bit of activity viewed as "necessary". Then came the tank raid. Then came fleets and the fleet arena. All the while, new people are joining and veterans are continuing. We are starting to have two distinct sets of people playing this game.

We have the collectors that would still like to just collect a little and be done for the day. These are the ones that complain when anything is released that "forces" them to spend more time playing. And we also have the collector/players, the ones that are more obsessed with playing and looking for more content, more things to do with your characters.

Each of those two sets of people had various responses to territory battles. For the most part, the ones that started two years ago just wanting a game to collect star wars related stuff feel like the "time commitment" for territory battles is too much, on top of the raids and GW that they already didn't like doing. These are the ones I generally see creating threads saying "Who asked for more content?"

The other group you would think would want more content, more stuff to do with your characters. These seem to tend to find either enjoyment with TB (I am one), or not so interested (repeats of the same battles over and over they say).

I would say, especially for the first group, TB isn't what made them quit, but it was the straw breaking the camel's back. After raids, GW, and not crystals in fleet, TB is yet another thing they didn't want to do.

The other problem inherent to this is not really a problem with TB at all but a problem with (a) mismatched guilds and (b) over obsession with maxing everything.

Officers getting burned out with territory battles and now on the horizon territory wars are either in a guild where not everyone is as interested in all aspects of the game or maxing out the game as they are (TB encourages guilds that are both at similar level of rosters as well as similar levels of engagement) or they are over obsessed with maxing every little thing.

To this I can only say, relax. 43* is not much better than 39*. And Territory Wars doesn't have to be micromanaged. It can take literally two seconds the first day, about two minutes the second day, and less than 15 minutes the third day. For the officer, add 1 - 2 minutes to add in-game messages on the map and you're done. The difference in rewards between winning and losing is not a large enough difference to try to micromanage. Unless you actually enjoy that kind of masochism, in which case, eat your heart out.

No, TB its fun, CLS its ruininng the balance

"ElleMadara;c-1352390" wrote:
No, TB its fun, CLS its ruininng the balance

This isn't the reason why - we've always had major game balance disruptions and they've never broken the game before. They seem old hat now, but we've had tons of toons make temporary runs at shattering balance, Biggs/Wedge, Chirrut/Baze, zMaul, etc. CLS is just the current flavor of unfair, and it will pass. When people are routing CLS reams with EP/Probe Droid, suddenly it won't seem like such a massive deal anymore. Two years from now it may well be Pong Krell / Revan that is "gloriously unfair" and people will be harping that CLS used to be good and now I can barely use him.

The river runs, does it not.

These are the ones I generally see creating threads saying "Who asked for more content?"

To some extent, but people keep saying "You said you wanted more content and they put in more content and now you're unhappy!" but no one is actually arguing that new content is bad - not exactly.

When people say "The last thing we need is more content" they really mean "The last thing we need is more time required doing the same kind of content we already had"

That's why TB sparked this response -- yes TB itself is something new to do, but the actual combat missions are just a six wave run through the same type of mechanics we've all been playing for two years. The torque on the missions was that you can have bonus abilities and stats based on platoon completion - which, in theory, is a pretty good idea but it was esoteric and hard to grasp. When too many stat modifiers stack, it becomes impossible to mentally process and just makes it feel like its not really there. We've completed 8 territory battles now, and I've run my guild TB coordinate during 6 of them. I still couldn't tell you what the platoon bonuses do without checking them. Something something critical hits, something something daze on first attack.

This is one of the reasons why I really like the assault battle events - they were drab but they've gotten so much better and the squad restrictions make you approach them differently than all the other stuff you do. Also most of them have simple supplemental mechanics.

I really like the Ewok AT-ST battle event too, because its something that *feels* very fresh. And this is what people we're really hoping for on the Hoth TB combat missions. That in this phase, you have a 2 wave fight against AT-STs and you really need defense breaking characters. Then in this phase you have a 3 wave CM against large numbers of snowtroopers and you need strong AoE based teams. Then in this phase you have...

People aren't mad that new content was added - they were upset that they didn't feel like the new content added anything insightful to the game BUT required them to invest more personal time into the game.

My expierience about first TB was like this: enjoyment for six days. After seeing rewards big, big disapointment. I was never dissapointed in this game before. That was first time and I wanted to quit playing this game. So They changed rewards but also changed amount of TB per month writing that they improved rewards. Big lie slap in the face. Second dissapointment. For now rewards are useless for me most of the times, exept tokens which are so small that I can buy 60 salvages of gear. 6 days of playing event around 2 houres minimum only for this? HAAT and Rancor I can play 10 minutes each and I can get 120 salvages sometimes 200 plus 1,5 milions of credits plus guild currency plus 14 shards kenobi and han. Only 20 minutes. So rewards in Tb are very dissapointing. My guild didnt expierience quiting but players stopped playing combat missions only 30% is done. They dont want to even hit autoplay. Half of my guild would like to improve, half dont care about Tb. Maybe the reason are rewards. As for mobile game it should give more fun than disapointment. Or maybe CG has only idea to give repetition in this game. I hope that guild wars will be more fun, less time, more rewards. Not 6 days wait to disapointment again about rewards.

I don't spend near enough time on this forum, imagine my shock when I saw the amount of responses here. I assumed this was a dead conversation by now. Thanks for all the replies here, it's nice to hear all the different opinions on this. In all honesty, I'm still seeing people dropping from the game, but as was pointed out it may not necessarily be tb, but rather general burnout culminating in a disappointment with tb in general. Guess we will all see what is going to happen with ds tb and tw now introduced: More time required, what will it do to numbers and guilds in general?

Again, thanks for all of the insight

Maybe we should move this post to DSTB, it blows my mind how we wasted the first 4-5 LS TBs finding various bugs, complaining about unfarmable platoons etc, only to end up with an even more broken in the darkside version of TB. Even sillier is that they released a version with a bug that players could exploit deployment which then led to them threatening to kick players from the game... so yeah TB has definitely ruined the game!

I completely agree with the OP. The player base is shrinking. I have not only noticed it in my recruiting but so have many others in alliances that I am affiliated with. One alliance of guilds confided that of 7-8 guilds, they had lost 40 to burnout in the last month. My guild has experienced a similar rate of burnout among high-quality players. But you probably would not see this yet, unless you are a guild recruiter.

TB's are a different game model, and one that I do not feel is as successful at the previous raid model. Development seems to be going into pushing out buggy modes of gameplay, rather than optimizing what we already have (how long have we dealt with the ticket counter bug?).

The developers do not seem interested in our suggestions for game improvements. I think they are going to keep trying to throw spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks for the short term. The unfortunate consequence is that players are going to continue to burn out until EA feels it in the revenue stream, and gets its act together.

For the time being, I am not spending another dime on a game I feel I could get up and leave at any moment. I am not alone.

"SephirothX2;c-1362011" wrote:
The developers do not seem interested in our suggestions for game improvements. I think they are going to keep trying to throw spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks for the short term. The unfortunate consequence is that players are going to continue to burn out until EA feels it in the revenue stream, and gets its act together.

For the time being, I am not spending another dime on a game I feel I could get up and leave at any moment. I am not alone.

+1000 on this. Feels like they see our opinions on forums for laughs when their CEOs yell at them for not enough revenue. #RespectyourPlayers

If Territory Battles was EA/CG executing Protocol 66, let's hope that Territory Wars represents A New Hope.

i feel like this discussion is a good one, it's too bad it's hidden on the ls tb discussion page, where very few people will see it