First off I wanna say that I've been thinking this over in my head and am not sure if I'm missing something or over looking something so feedback is encouraged.Secondly this post doesnt apply to guilds of all whales, at least not so much. Also the situation im going to speak about may vary depending on your situation. I.e. what raid tier you take part in regularly.So my issue is in a guild where maybe the top 3-10 are whales or even dolphins that have full 50 membership and the guild is participating in mainly tier 6 raids is it in the interest of the majority to do tier 5 instead? Heres my reasoning. Also in this situation tier 5 can be done in 1 day and tier 6 in 3-4 days (i think thats pretty common).If you can do 3 tier 5 raids in the time it takes to do 1 tier 6 raid its more beneficial for everyone. This is because by doing the tier 5's you get way more guild currency. Most people will say yeah but your chances of getting good gear (furnace and droid caller pieces) are much lower at tier 5 especially for the lower ranks. But theres two counters to that. 1) by doing tier 5 three times at #30 you have a low chance at getting good gear.By doing tier 6 one time at #30 you have a moderate chance at getting good gear.2) even though your chances at good gear falls by doing tier 5, ALL 50 MEMBERS now get a lot of guild currency so everyone can progress at getting the gear (furnaces and droid callers) available in the guild shipments. Personally i'd prefer 3 tries with low chances than 1 try with an ok chance. Also everyone in the guild is now working on the gear they want instead of just the top 3 and random people here and there in the rest of the ranks. I chose the title because it seems whales can use f2p to do the opposite of what im proposing and if f2p realise this they might think twice before just going with the rest of the sheep.

"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?

"C3POwn;452863" wrote:As long as you never waste coins by exceeding the guild bank cap, you will mathematically do about the same number of raids. The cost to start a tier V or tier VI is not much different. VI gives everyone a chance at better gear/rewards. IMO the most efficient way would be for you to do a Tier VI, which will allow you to bank some coins and then do multiple tier V's in a row until you run out. Then you can repeat that same process. Yeah that was what i was thinking. You couldnt just keep doing tier V because you wouldnt have the guild coins so a tier VI to let the coins stock up would be the best plan

"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids? Yes. And our guild hasn't gone back. Heroic had far better rewards. As long as you have 10ish whales you're good.

If you can run tier VI raids continuously without exceeding the cap then you are better of doing tier VI raids.

"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452874" wrote:"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids? You are probably talking about ppl lower than lvl60?Heroic can be soloed by a whale so if your guildies have say 1 whale and 49ftp which all have 1 7* toon they can make their hit and get the best rewards. ;) 50th place gives out more than 1st at T5 which doesn't give out all gear.I have no idea where you get your facts exactly but heroic has nothing to do with this topic. And no, im talking about a guild with 6 or 7 whales everyone else having between 2 and 15 *7 characters EVERYONE above lvl 70. (Most in the upper half of the 70's. 50th place does not give out more than 1st at T5.

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Boba_The_Fetter
9 years ago
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:
There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.

So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?
Boba_The_Fetter
9 years ago
"C3POwn;452863" wrote:
As long as you never waste coins by exceeding the guild bank cap, you will mathematically do about the same number of raids. The cost to start a tier V or tier VI is not much different. VI gives everyone a chance at better gear/rewards. IMO the most efficient way would be for you to do a Tier VI, which will allow you to bank some coins and then do multiple tier V's in a row until you run out. Then you can repeat that same process.

Yeah that was what i was thinking. You couldnt just keep doing tier V because you wouldnt have the guild coins so a tier VI to let the coins stock up would be the best plan
InaraLove
9 years ago
"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:
There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.

So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?

Yes. And our guild hasn't gone back. Heroic had far better rewards. As long as you have 10ish whales you're good.
Pindasauskanon
9 years ago
If you can run tier VI raids continuously without exceeding the cap then you are better of doing tier VI raids.
Boba_The_Fetter
9 years ago
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452874" wrote:
"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:
There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.

So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?

You are probably talking about ppl lower than lvl60?
Heroic can be soloed by a whale so if your guildies have say 1 whale and 49ftp which all have 1 7* toon they can make their hit and get the best rewards. ;) 50th place gives out more than 1st at T5 which doesn't give out all gear.

I have no idea where you get your facts exactly but heroic has nothing to do with this topic. And no, im talking about a guild with 6 or 7 whales everyone else having between 2 and 15 *7 characters EVERYONE above lvl 70. (Most in the upper half of the 70's. 50th place does not give out more than 1st at T5.
Boba_The_Fetter
9 years ago
"Pindasauskanon;452880" wrote:
If you can run tier VI raids continuously without exceeding the cap then you are better of doing tier VI raids.

How?
Boba_The_Fetter
9 years ago
"Captain_Reynolds;452876" wrote:
"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:
There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.

So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?

Yes. And our guild hasn't gone back. Heroic had far better rewards. As long as you have 10ish whales you're good.

Im not talking about heroic. I dont understand about how 10ish whales mean youre 'good'. Do you mean you can finish the raid in a day or so?
mikebpiz
9 years ago
"Boba_The_Fetter;452902" wrote:
"Captain_Reynolds;452876" wrote:
"Boba_The_Fetter;452868" wrote:
"Nortikka_aikarajuu;452864" wrote:
There is no point doing lower tiers after you do T6 the 1st time since the rewards are much better on heroic and it's difficulty is pretty much same like in T5. It dies so fast it's hard to let all members get 1 hit in.

So you're saying if it took a week to do tier 6 youd be better off doing that instead of say maybe 2 day long tier 5 raids?

Yes. And our guild hasn't gone back. Heroic had far better rewards. As long as you have 10ish whales you're good.

Im not talking about heroic. I dont understand about how 10ish whales mean youre 'good'. Do you mean you can finish the raid in a day or so?

If you have 10 true whales you should be doing heroic.

It is better to be dead last, 50th place in a heroic than 4th place in a tier 6.

The gear drop rate is that much better.

Tier 5 has 0% chance of dropping full gear. You should never do tier 5.
LeoRavus
9 years ago
My guild only has one whale, a few dolphins, and a few f2p. We can finish heroic in about 4 hours and actually have to wait until everyone goes before finishing.

The enemies hit harder, but they have much less HP than T6. I recommend everyone at least try it. The raid gear rewards are at least twice as much as T6.
DieInFire4
9 years ago
"LeoRavus;452928" wrote:
My guild only has one whale, a few dolphins, and a few f2p. We can finish heroic in about 4 hours and actually have to wait until everyone goes before finishing.

The enemies hit harder, but they have much less HP than T6. I recommend everyone at least try it. The raid gear rewards are at least twice as much as T6.

How many 7* characters do you have?
I'm temped to try, but I only have 7 7* characters (level 70 〜 78) so I'm very limited on damage dealing.