GAC no defence

"Nihion;c-1914543" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1914363" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1914248" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1914062" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1914022" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1914016" wrote:

"Notworking;c-1913777" wrote:
Their game, their choice. I know of people only setting 1 squad not to deliberately stop their opponents gaining extra points rather as a protest against matchmaking.

Then they should be able to screw you however they like with absolutely no benefit to themselves? That's a good thing in your opinion? They can if they want. I'm saying I don't believe they should have the choice. It should auto deploy something to stop this.

If you want to sit out it should be your choice. If you want to play you should get the opportunity. Anyone who chooses to screw someone else should get Zero rewards as punishment for being petty. If you don't want to participate then don't participate and get nothing. Don't act like a toddler, and ruin it for others.

As poor of a mechanic as it is, as long as it exists, it’s their right to exploit it. When auto deploy didn’t exist I didn’t set defenses because I didn’t care, that’s my right. They fixed it, then I can’t exploit it anymore.

My point is that it shouldn't exist. The devs could very easily fix this. There are many rotten things (in game or in RL) that can't be fixed. There are already auto-deploy mechanics in GA. Seems like this particular rotten thing some of CG's customers deal with could be eliminated. Thus this thread existing to let them know what needs to be repaired with this aspect of their product.

Additionally, we have the right to do lots of things we shouldn't do. People can lie, cheat, insult, and irritate others in all kinds of legal ways. I appreciate people who do that because it's partly how I determine who to avoid having anything to do with. If you saying people have a right to be rotten people then I agree. Their ability to do so in this instance can/should be eliminated.

If people want to protest, and be a **** to their competition they could set all their most powerful teams on defense, then not bother to attack. It screws their competitor that round vs the larger pool of players in the whole tournament. I've had that happen to me a time or two. So they still have that at their disposal.

Your last paragraph describes a strategy, not a protest. And yes, it should be eliminated. But you seemed to suggest punishing those who participate in this. That’s not right. It’s CG’s fault for not changing it, not the players for exploiting it.

The last paragraph is NOT a strategy. Setting everything on defense, and not bothering to attack isn't a strategy. But it's acceptable according to the rules.

And it IS the players fault for the choices they make. If someone vandalized your home then saying "you should have a fence up to stop me" isn't an acceptable excuse for them being trashy humans. If someone steals your stuff then it isn't your fault for failing to tell them not to.

CG is partly to blame though. Responsibility isn't all or nothing. People are responsible for being rotten to each other, and someone with the responsibility to prevent that who does nothing also bears a measure of blame.

Those examples don’t apply because your neighbor does t make the rules. If your government has not addressed or made a law about stealing, people can do that. It’s a mean thing to do, but they have every right to do so.

Setting your best toons on defense is a strategy. If you don’t think that they can get through your blockade, you can hope to beat one of their teams and see if your best toons hold them. Or the higher GP player can just toss their Malak, Revans, and GR on defense and good for a tie. That seems like a strategy to me.

First off I said setting all your best on defense, and not bothering to attack isn't a strategy. You keep not reading that part. It's only viable if your opponent gets zero wins at all and your GP is higher. I specifically said players who want to protest being outmatched, so not attempting a single attack is not a strategy in that situation. But it's a form of protest people can still do if setting no defense gets fixed.

And you are making my point. Rotten people can do rotten things to others. Lack of a rule doesn't make them not responsible for their actions, and it doesn't mean they should do every petty, childish, mean thing that isn't directly against a law. Everyone who screws over their opponents by only setting one defense to bypass the auto deploy is being a human sphincter and I wouldn't be in a guild with a poor sport like that. I know that it will happen until CG fixes it. It's their job to fix this kind of thing, but only because you can count on a certain percentage of people to be miserable, and selfish, and try to ruin other people's fun.

"Nihion;c-1914905" wrote:


But the blame still can not land on them.

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If something is perfectly legal, how can one be blamed for doing it?

Of course they can. Morality and legality are separate things. You are responsible for your own actions, and can be blamed for doing things that are wrong, entirely independently of whether they are legal.

"Nihion;c-1914911" wrote:

"Liath;c-1914908" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1914905" wrote:


But the blame still can not land on them.

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If something is perfectly legal, how can one be blamed for doing it?

Of course they can. Morality and legality are separate things. You are responsible for your own actions, and can be blamed for doing things that are wrong, entirely independently of whether they are legal.

Okay so why is this wrong?

People have different moral standards, but generally doing something that hurts somebody else (and really doesn't even benefit you) with the primary goal of harming that other person would be considered immoral.

The idea that people are doing this out of concern of facing that person again is pretty silly. Unless you are at such a high GP that there are very few people to match you with, the likelihood of facing the same person again is pretty low. Letting that person have more rewards to get ahead of you actually makes it *less* likely that you will ever have to worry about facing him again, and in any event the difference is so marginal it is highly unlikely to allow you to win a matchup that you have, at this time, decided is so hopeless that you have effectively given up on any attempt to win.

In reality, the people doing this are doing it out of spite.

"JacenRoe;c-1912604" wrote:
I've posted about this before. Nothing has been done, and so have others. There has been no response to my knowledge. With GAC it's an even bigger deal. It really sucks. My condolences.

The one thing you can count on is that in a large enough group of people there will always be a few sphincters. The devs should prevent this exploiting of the system that ruins GAC.

Setting only one team on defense shouldn’t happen. It should auto fill the other slots from the bottom of the roster up. That would help deter people from exploiting GAC. It is more than winning or losing. It is a huge let down when someone doesn’t set a defense, because I don’t get to play the game as intended.

Auto Deploy should kick-in as a detriment to people that only set one defensive team. If a full defense was set in round 1 it should carry over to the next rounds.

"AnnerDoon;c-1916099" wrote:
You asked me for a reason other than spite. I provided that.

So stupidity then? Ok so then the only reason to do it is spite or stupidity.

"AnnerDoon;c-1916181" wrote:
Everybody gets to make their own decisions regarding how they play. The fact that you don’t like the decisions that some players make doesn’t change that fact.

But (whether you believe it or not) I’ve made my point: there is no moral issue here, and nobody is targeting you personally. So I can’t think of any reason to continue feeding the troll, and I’ll just move on. Maybe one day you’ll realize that you aren’t the center of the universe, and other players may actually do things that you wouldn’t.... and that it’s ok. ‘Till then, I hope you find a nice big stash of good tequila and lime. Because you’ve got a lot of salt to work through.

You seem to be under some misunderstanding of this conversation. So let me clarify and say that I have no investment in it. I have never had any of my opponents not set defenses. I am simply discussing it and in the discussion I could find no reason for it other than spite. You gave me another of stupidity or ignorance of game mechanics.

You are searching for the reason why 0 or 1 def. My opinion is that some people do it becase the know they'll lose and save all squads to only attack. They'll lose anyway but can fight and make strategy or something what they enjoy. Some people can set one def before midnight and fall asleep, wake up and ...... and some people are just mean and like to read these threads where you crying and arguing how it's not fair. In batman movie they sayied: "some people just want to watch the world burn" and it's reality.

"JacenRoe;c-1915571" wrote:

"Eddiemundie;c-1915533" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1915468" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1915393" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1915306" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1915031" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1914939" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1914911" wrote:

"Liath;c-1914908" wrote:

"Nihion;c-1914905" wrote:


But the blame still can not land on them.

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If something is perfectly legal, how can one be blamed for doing it?

Of course they can. Morality and legality are separate things. You are responsible for your own actions, and can be blamed for doing things that are wrong, entirely independently of whether they are legal.

Okay so why is this wrong?

Why is it wrong to screw other people? Why is it wrong to do petty things that ruin the game for others with no strategic purpose? Why is it wrong to be selfish and childish and nasty to other people just because you can get away with it? If the answer to that is not completely self evident then this is a pointless conversation.

I like @Liath ‘s answer. Don’t call other people rude and childish when clearly you exhibit these behaviors yourself.

People are ruining something fun for someone else. I can call that childish and rude. Also I believe I said selfish and petty. Unless my dictionary is out of date those words are still accurate.

You are coming across as if these people are the incarnation of the devil. They’re not ruining the game for others, they’re just making it harder to get feats. That’s all.

I didn't say they were the devil. I said they were ruining something fun for another person.

I find free wins fun. Could my opponents do that please?

The point is you can't do any of the feats. You can't win the tournament. You get a free round, but you will be torpedoed in the tournament overall. You both lose.

Also, some people actually like to play GA. So your opponent can decide you don't get to for no strategic reason other than to screw you over and give CG a middle finger.

If you can't find the strategy in leaving poor defenses, you dont have a strategic mind.

If I want to get ahead of you, but I know I absolutely will lose this round and you are gonna block out two territories with revan and revan, letting you complete your feats is going to widen the gap. Instead, i go for no D and potentially saving teams that can beat yours, thus clearing my feats, and scoring me GAC points and currency. This semi makes up for lost defense points, as well as gets me ahead on GAC currency.

And I don't do this - i'm part of the faction guilty of forever placing dr dm on defense whenever i know my opponent has absolutely no hope of getting past it.

He doesnt care. I care, and I lost points and coins because had nothing to attack (only 1 team in defence)

Auto fill doesnt works if you put at least 1 team.

Why to do that? Who knows...

It happens. My opponent auto filled defenses with a formidable roster. I couldn’t win with an undersized squad, so I missed out too.

Side note, does anyone else hate it when auto fill puts something like KRU(L) with Kylo ren and FOX?