I've recently spoke with others who also feel the value of a GL is not proportional to what is costs. Every week I have a GL that loses to an ordinary, free lead like Grievous, or CLS. In some cases, these are GL 12 squads vs my R8 (which also) calls in to question the value of relics, relative to cost.

If you are talking about GAC:The value of a GL for offensive use is unquestionable. They can solo so many teams and give you great banners. And not all GL are god-tier on defense. Especially if you set them with the wrong team mates. There are definitely non-GL counters to certain GL def teams. If you put JMK on defense without CAT then you should not be surprised if it gets taken out easily. I suggest to use swgoh.gg counter database to find the best GL team combs.

I'm sick of these people who think they can just farm something like a gl or exec and then just auto win everything. You have to put in the effort to understand and properly use a kit

"boomerd;d-252608" wrote:I've recently spoke with others who also feel the value of a GL is not proportional to what is costs. Every week I have a GL that loses to an ordinary, free lead like Grievous, or CLS. In some cases, these are GL 12 squads vs my R8 (which also) calls in to question the value of relics, relative to cost.

"boomerd;d-252608" wrote:I've recently spoke with others who also feel the value of a GL is not proportional to what is costs. Every week I have a GL that loses to an ordinary, free lead like Grievous, or CLS. In some cases, these are GL 12 squads vs my R8 (which also) calls in to question the value of relics, relative to cost. If you are losing R8 GLs to G12 CLS that sounds more like a modding or team strat issue. Care to share a swgoh.gg account?

"boomerd;c-2326100" wrote:Just disagree, and yes, I use guides on a regular-basis. No GL R8 squad should ever lose to GL 12 squad of any composition, cost-wise that isn't logical and invalidates the supposed hierarchy/ progression. Which g12 non-gl squad is able to beat a R8 GL (I guess with ultimate ?) ? Genuinely interested.

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Rath_Tarr0
3 years ago
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2326348" wrote:
"Antario;c-2326103" wrote:

And finally, there are the newer characters like Mara and KK, who slotted in the right teams, can take out GLs even with low stars and gears. But that's the way the game progresses. New metas come and go. And rest assured this is not CG with bad business strategy but actually part of their strategy to generate incentive for people chasing those new marquees (and with even more willingness to spend money than for a GL maybe).

Well, awhile ago CG did state that they didn't intend (properly configured) GL teams to lose to non-GL teams, and proceeded to nerf a set of non-GLs on the ground of that rule. Moreover, the way they stated it sounded like it was going to be a standing policy rather than an one-off thing.

I don't have any problems with new meta non-GL toons themselves or the fact that they could be used to beat GLs. I just take a slight issue with CG quietly going back on a stated policy.

Those are some pretty concrete assertions about CG's often vague / unclear statements into which the community often reads their own individual perspectives. You're gonna need a link to the original statement otherwise all you have is hearsay.
mykdapet
New Traveler
3 years ago
"Zonder;c-2326104" wrote:
I'm sick of these people who think they can just farm something like a gl or exec and then just auto win everything. You have to put in the effort to understand and properly use a kit

That's true, but it also calls in to question the ever increasing power of new toons. As an example, you have to gear up nearly 30 toons for JML. Whale or not, that's an immense number. Then, to add marquee toons like Kyle and Mara who can take out GLs at low starts absolutely does call that 30 toon investment into question. Especially when there were non GL teams capable of countering GL teams and cg flat out nerfed them across the board (i.e. vader) saying the investment of GL toons was important and it shouldn't be remotely easy to counter them. This kinda flies in the face of that.

It's not quite clear messaging when you nuke counters and say it's because the investment is important, and then make new toons that can do just that - and do it seemingly easier than the toons you recently nuked. It absolutely muddies the message you sent not that long ago.

They clearly make their decisions on getting whales to spend. Do you wanna shell out hundreds or thousands as a whale for a GL if they're going to release marquees that can take them out at 5 starts shortly thereafter? Doesn't sound like smart business sense when their clear MO is getting the whales to spend first and foremost.

At this point, I don't really care. But, they absolutely made it clear they value the expense of GLs. This, goes against that.
perfidius44
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
"boomerd;c-2326981" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2326268" wrote:
"boomerd;d-252608" wrote:
I've recently spoke with others who also feel the value of a GL is not proportional to what is costs. Every week I have a GL that loses to an ordinary, free lead like Grievous, or CLS. In some cases, these are GL 12 squads vs my R8 (which also) calls in to question the value of relics, relative to cost.

Great this means you don’t have to chase any other GLs either and you can beat them with originally free leads like GG or CLS

This made me chuckle. Agree, -too bad I didn't know almost 5 gl's ago :-).
As for the responder making statements about my game play, -respectfully, you don't know who I am, the end. Counterproductive nonsense. Saying someone should have no expectation for cash outlay ROI is both an ignorant and deluded perspective. Go out and work a career for a few decades, then come back and make a productive, adult post.

And those to respectfully asked you "Which g12 non-gl squad is able to beat a R8 GL (I guess with ultimate ?) ? Genuinely interested. ", do they deserve an answer to contribute to the pursue of a productice, adult post ? Because the discussion is a dead end if you can't share details.
tvsfrink
3 years ago
"boomerd;c-2326989" wrote:
PM sent. As I said this was looking for a response from CG for previous service requests, not necessarily a forum general poll.

It doesn't work that way.
NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
"boomerd;c-2326989" wrote:
PM sent. As I said this was looking for a response from CG for previous service requests, not necessarily a forum general poll.

CG is going to ask you what toons you used vs what toons you went up against too,
can you provide your ally code? I can forward it to CG
tward930
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Ultra;c-2327018" wrote:
"boomerd;c-2326989" wrote:
PM sent. As I said this was looking for a response from CG for previous service requests, not necessarily a forum general poll.

CG is going to ask you what toons you used vs what toons you went up against too,
can you provide your ally code? I can forward it to CG
realcalfzilla
3 years ago
Sure wish I could have a multi-decade career in vague statements with no proof so I could make quality OPs like this one.
justin-marks92
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
This is more of a tangent to what you’re saying but you inadvertently touched on another issue.

Firstly, in terms of what you’re saying. A GL shouldn’t be a sure thing. Ideally they should be used offensively for maximum utility out of the characters since they can be used to solo many teams out there. Defensively I don’t think it should be impossible but at least challenging to take out a GL with a non GL team.

Now the issue I want to highlight that you mentioned is the cost to leading to the GL.

Characters and such are fine. My issue, and purely my opinion, is that the light and dark currency grind is a dated and an unnecessary additional grind on top of an overly extensive grind. I would almost recommend to do away with that system completely as I don’t see any benefit whatsoever to anyone at all to have it in place.

What I do think that CG have in their mind is that the additional grind will make people spend money on crystals to then refresh energy for the currency farm. But considering how far you need to get just for this grind to even start, they really need to give the players a break on the money they can squeeze out. First and foremost, this is a game. Sometimes they need to be reminded of that and hopefully listen.
Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
3 years ago
"KakashiLord;c-2327057" wrote:
This is more of a tangent to what you’re saying but you inadvertently touched on another issue.

Firstly, in terms of what you’re saying. A GL shouldn’t be a sure thing. Ideally they should be used offensively for maximum utility out of the characters since they can be used to solo many teams out there. Defensively I don’t think it should be impossible but at least challenging to take out a GL with a non GL team.

Now the issue I want to highlight that you mentioned is the cost to leading to the GL.

Characters and such are fine. My issue, and purely my opinion, is that the light and dark currency grind is a dated and an unnecessary additional grind on top of an overly extensive grind. I would almost recommend to do away with that system completely as I don’t see any benefit whatsoever to anyone at all to have it in place.

What I do think that CG have in their mind is that the additional grind will make people spend money on crystals to then refresh energy for the currency farm. But considering how far you need to get just for this grind to even start, they really need to give the players a break on the money they can squeeze out. First and foremost, this is a game. Sometimes they need to be reminded of that and hopefully listen.

Define "challenging" though. Because if you're saying it can be done, but with lower banners consistently, then no. That defeats the purpose of Galactic Legends being "Galactic Legends". If there's still a high rate of failure, which makes it challenging, then sure. If GL's can be beaten by non-GLs consistently and without significant issue, then what's the point of calling them GL's? What's the point of putting all the resources, time, and effort into building them up if they aren't a roadblock for non-GL teams?

It definitely doesn't help that Starkiller is looking like a GL killer, at least in GAC. If that's a consistent thing, then I wasted time, resources, relics, etc., on six GL's that I could've just saved to build four marquee characters to unlock one character? (Compared to the 15+ characters I needed to relic for each GL.) Compare that to Lord Vader that is the most resource intensive character in the game, but isn't the meta GL and a character unlocked by four marquees could beat him? Why would that make any sense at all.
justin-marks92
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
"Whatelse73;c-2327061" wrote:
"KakashiLord;c-2327057" wrote:
This is more of a tangent to what you’re saying but you inadvertently touched on another issue.

Firstly, in terms of what you’re saying. A GL shouldn’t be a sure thing. Ideally they should be used offensively for maximum utility out of the characters since they can be used to solo many teams out there. Defensively I don’t think it should be impossible but at least challenging to take out a GL with a non GL team.

Now the issue I want to highlight that you mentioned is the cost to leading to the GL.

Characters and such are fine. My issue, and purely my opinion, is that the light and dark currency grind is a dated and an unnecessary additional grind on top of an overly extensive grind. I would almost recommend to do away with that system completely as I don’t see any benefit whatsoever to anyone at all to have it in place.

What I do think that CG have in their mind is that the additional grind will make people spend money on crystals to then refresh energy for the currency farm. But considering how far you need to get just for this grind to even start, they really need to give the players a break on the money they can squeeze out. First and foremost, this is a game. Sometimes they need to be reminded of that and hopefully listen.

Define "challenging" though. Because if you're saying it can be done, but with lower banners consistently, then no. That defeats the purpose of Galactic Legends being "Galactic Legends". If there's still a high rate of failure, which makes it challenging, then sure. If GL's can be beaten by non-GLs consistently and without significant issue, then what's the point of calling them GL's? What's the point of putting all the resources, time, and effort into building them up if they aren't a roadblock for non-GL teams?

It definitely doesn't help that Starkiller is looking like a GL killer, at least in GAC. If that's a consistent thing, then I wasted time, resources, relics, etc., on six GL's that I could've just saved to build four marquee characters to unlock one character? (Compared to the 15+ characters I needed to relic for each GL.) Compare that to Lord Vader that is the most resource intensive character in the game, but isn't the meta GL and a character unlocked by four marquees could beat him? Why would that make any sense at all.

I can see what you’re saying. I mean challenging as in low banners but not a consistent win. Which is seemingly what you’re looking for. I certainly don’t think making a GL only beaten by GLs is the way to go though since it’s compounding some severe already existing issues. In GAC as an example, it isn’t impossible to beat someone with more GLs than you. But buffing the characters so they can’t be beaten by non GL teams mean will just be a “who has the more GLs” competition. Like I said that’s already sort of there, however would be compounded if ensured to be more like that.

I’m not 100% disagreeing with you, let me make that clear. In fact I hate how poor SEE is in the game. Out of all the GLs he is the most non GL character out of the bunch. Geos can take him out quite easily too.