I know, how matchmaking in GAC works and I'm quite ok with that. Unfortunately placing fleets always in back row makes owning 2 good fleets a big disadvantage (i refer to lower leagues, most likely doesn't matter in higher, because everyone has nego and malevolence maxed there). We can't we have it in front row at least in every second GAC season? It also seems quite thematic - first get rid of planet defence in space then land with your squads.

If my oponent have trash fleet, which lets him only get points for setting fleet defence it means he has big GP advantage in squads (according to match making rules). This way he's potentially able to set defence which blocks access to fleet node and I'm not even able to utilize my fleet big advantage. I can't block anything with fleet because it's in back row.

If you believe your fleet can hold on defense and you can still clear your opponent's fleet on offense use that to your advantage. Set a weak squad defense. Save each and every squad you need to get through your opponent's defense for offense. If you still can't get through your opponent's defense they deserve the win.

As long as you can effectively full clear it doesn’t really matter where your strong fleet goes. If you full clear and they can’t beat your ships regardless where they are you’ll still win.

"Joebo720;c-2151238" wrote:I guess. Think most will put their heavy D on the south wall as it is worth more points and that's where you really want to get the stop.I put my strongest stuff on the front bottom. You know top back is going to be a fleet, and you can see front top. The only area that is a mystery is back bottom. If you go front top first to get to their fleet, you risk using up teams that should be used in the back bottom.Clear front bottom, see what they're hiding in the rear, then go for the rest.I don't have an opinion on whether fleets should be front or back. Front would be interesting to see, but we're four rounds into this GAC and no opponent has even attacked me yet, (not because I'm scary, just because they don't care--I'm emminently beatable) and I feel like if fleets were up front even fewer people would care. But I see why they should be up front, plus I like fleets and have several good ones so it'd be nice to use them.

Solution, stop investing on fleet. fleet is boring, anyway

Good fllets being the disadvantage in GAC

41 Replies

Waquira
6 years ago
"Its_not_a_moon;c-2151621" wrote:
Then, in our Quality of Life update, we shifted the focus to only the part of the collection that is eligible in that Grand Arena (i.e. characters only, or characters+ships). This did not work either. Among active participants in Grand Arena, the number of blowouts was still far higher than our targets.

Ultimately, we think close matches with some tension are at the heart of what makes a great Grand Arena experience, therefore we are moving away from pure collection GP as the basis for matchmaking.

So, while you may match with someone who has a much different GP than you, behind the scenes we’ve done our best to match you based on similar roster characteristics. The most obvious similarity is in the GP of your top few squads - but there is more going on behind the scenes.

This is from @CG_SBCrumb https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/207546/grand-arena-championships-matchmaking

As you can see they tried using character plus ship but it didn't work out and most of the matches are purely based on top characters only

I believe the part about characters + ships or characters only refers to the MM before the introduction of matching by top-X GP.
I believe the QOL update Crumb refers to happened back before championships were introduced.
NicWester
6 years ago
"GJO;c-2151268" wrote:
Solution, stop investing on fleet. fleet is boring, anyway
NicWester
6 years ago
"Jarvind;c-2151584" wrote:
I seem to remember there being a GA layout where it's just 2 territories, a single ship territory and a squad territory with like 8 slots. So there's that.

There was, but I think it was only used for the exhibition season to teach people how Grand Arena worked. I think they also said that they have four maps and will rotate between them--3v3+ships, 5v5 with no ships, 5v5+ships, and............ Uhhh............. Huh. You know? This would be a really good time for me to remember where that post of theirs was so that I could say what the fourth one was AND not sound like I'm making it all up in an, at best, Mandela Effect...

"Its_not_a_moon;c-2151621" wrote:
Then, in our Quality of Life update, we shifted the focus to only the part of the collection that is eligible in that Grand Arena (i.e. characters only, or characters+ships). This did not work either. Among active participants in Grand Arena, the number of blowouts was still far higher than our targets.

Ultimately, we think close matches with some tension are at the heart of what makes a great Grand Arena experience, therefore we are moving away from pure collection GP as the basis for matchmaking.

So, while you may match with someone who has a much different GP than you, behind the scenes we’ve done our best to match you based on similar roster characteristics. The most obvious similarity is in the GP of your top few squads - but there is more going on behind the scenes.

This is from https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/207546/grand-arena-championships-matchmaking

As you can see they tried using character plus ship but it didn't work out and most of the matches are purely based on top characters only

That isn't quite what Crumb was saying. He was saying that the first iteration only looked at the total GP of your characters (if ships weren't invokved) OR the total GP of all your characters and ships (if ships were involved). The part that was changed going forward is that matchmaking no longer counts the bottom of your roster.

That said, I think you're right. I don't think ships are taken into account because I've seen some truly awful, piddly little fleets up against me. So I agree with your conclusion, I just wanted to point out that your premise, the linked post, isn't correct.
Waquira
6 years ago
@NicWester The map with two territories only was also used later after exhibitions. Since the introduction of championships we've only seen the current map layout with 4 territories. As far as I remember CG announced that they will stick to this layout.
Waquira
6 years ago
"NicWester;c-2151730" wrote:
"Jarvind;c-2151584" wrote:
I seem to remember there being a GA layout where it's just 2 territories, a single ship territory and a squad territory with like 8 slots. So there's that.

There was, but I think it was only used for the exhibition season to teach people how Grand Arena worked. I think they also said that they have four maps and will rotate between them--3v3+ships, 5v5 with no ships, 5v5+ships, and............ Uhhh............. Huh. You know? This would be a really good time for me to remember where that post of theirs was so that I could say what the fourth one was AND not sound like I'm making it all up in an, at best, Mandela Effect...

"Its_not_a_moon;c-2151621" wrote:
Then, in our Quality of Life update, we shifted the focus to only the part of the collection that is eligible in that Grand Arena (i.e. characters only, or characters+ships). This did not work either. Among active participants in Grand Arena, the number of blowouts was still far higher than our targets.

Ultimately, we think close matches with some tension are at the heart of what makes a great Grand Arena experience, therefore we are moving away from pure collection GP as the basis for matchmaking.

So, while you may match with someone who has a much different GP than you, behind the scenes we’ve done our best to match you based on similar roster characteristics. The most obvious similarity is in the GP of your top few squads - but there is more going on behind the scenes.

This is from https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/207546/grand-arena-championships-matchmaking

As you can see they tried using character plus ship but it didn't work out and most of the matches are purely based on top characters only

That isn't quite what Crumb was saying. He was saying that the first iteration only looked at the total GP of your characters (if ships weren't invokved) OR the total GP of all your characters and ships (if ships were involved). The part that was changed going forward is that matchmaking no longer counts the bottom of your roster.

Not entirely correct. Initially you were matched by total GP (characters and ships) disregarding whether ships were included in the GA or not (character only). The QOL update mentioned by Crumb changed the algorithm so that ship GP was only included in GAs that included ships.

Apart from this I agree :-)
Gabe9876543210
Seasoned Veteran
6 years ago
Winning the ship zone should be worth a much points as other zones - that's my main issue with it at the moment, that if you don't focus on the back regular zone, you will lose, because clearing the ships isn't worth as much.

Another option I would like to see is two fleet zones - i.e both front and back top. That would definitely encourage more fleet development. Iif you are in Div 1, your should have 4 capitals and decent fleets above 300k each. Pitting them against other massive fleets would make GAC interesting.
ancientelster
6 years ago
Easy solution. Make a new map for the combo. One half fleets the other half toons. Make each half worth the same amount.
Dramgon13
6 years ago
I agree that if fleet is included on the map it should be more equal to the rest of the zones. I've lost a lot of GA's where they clear my two lower zones, while I clear their two top zones and lose. If they have some Meta team that I don't have a counter for and they place it on Defense in the lower zone its over.

All they have to do is clear my lower area and they win automatically. Its a major flaw in GA. I have better ships then a lot of my opponents because I focused them and got ships to try to be better balanced. I also saved the matz to level ships first instead of gear and characters, but those that focused characters are rewarded with GA wins over me.

I say GA should be a top and bottom. The top should be two ship zones, one then the other in a line similar to GA now. The bottom row should be two or three tiers that you have to fight back through like now, but they should not be mixed.
Mephisto_style
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"Snowbird13;c-2152085" wrote:
Just an update. I posted earlier. I'm in div 8. My fleet accounts for over 53% of my total gp. I built up my fleet over squads, because of how easy fleet arena is to get the top spot. I'm 5/6 so far this time. I would be 6/6, but I chased a feat and lost a battle I shouldn't have. My ships carried me. I put everything on offense squad wise, but my oppents rarely clear my defensive fleet.

So having strong ships help me win. And r7 Vader destroys people on 3v3.

Vader destroys, period. I took this a little while ago. In a top 30 filled with nothing but 5 million and up GP accounts with Galactic Legend KR and Rey and Snazzy Dressed Luke this dude is top 10 with 2 G12s, lol
DarkHelmet1138
6 years ago
You just have to build fleets that are strong and use good characters. I have at least two fleets that are good. An ackbar rebel fleet and a negotiator.

The crucial ships in those two fleets include HT, anakin, ashoka, mf, and fives. All of those ships have characters that are part of good teams. There are a few other ships needed but it's only a few more characters and you don't have to have every pilot maxed to have an arena grade fleet. Most of my Phoenix were only g11 (except ezra's at g12) and it still holds in gac div 2 just fine.

And if having the 5 or six pilots that are part of those fleets but not a great team causes you to lose, you have bigger problems.