GP Matchmaking & “Fluff”

Im matched with similar gp but that poor fella only has one gear 12. :'(

"Vos_Landeck;c-1712974" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1712956" wrote:
well you just created a game mode , that will stop the powering up of all non meta toons , to keep gp low to face much easier opponents. Does not make much sense.
And as far as i know total GP also includes ships even though none can be used. Which is another handicap to those who actually use and worked on a bunch of ships.

I think the whole "fluff" thing is way overblown. I have a 7* Lobot. He's lvl 85, G7, all abilities to lvl 7 except the leader is maxed and he has 6 tier 5 mods on him. He's 12,316. Even if I had 10 of those guys, that's 120k out of my 3.239 mil GP.....hardly enough to make any significant difference in Grand Arena matchmaking one way or the other.

@Vos_Landeck Observe my guildmate's matchup.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404369275252637717/520449440419676170/image0.jpg?width=347&height=601
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404369275252637717/520449455556919326/image0.jpg?width=335&height=600

GP is almost identical. However, notice the disparity in G12 toons versus G11/10/9, and especially G8.

Skill is relative. This is a long-term strategy game with some tactical elements. You have to be good at both. Planning your roster long term and playing the short-term battles/events/TW/etc.

While there are lots of metrics that could be used, doesn't mean they they are all useful for matchmaking. The problem is that pretty quickly you will run out of even matches. GP is the best constant. After that there are only so many people that the Arena top 200 or bottom 2000 people can fight against. Also, it is easy for a rank 2000 person to have the exact same roster and GP as a rank 200 person. They just don't know or care or have the ability to play at the same level. It is also possible for a 1.7M GP player to be ranked in top 10 with people that have 3M + GP. For the same reason you will probably get people of mismatched GP against each other.

Just because you are good enough to have a full g8 Phoenix team ready for the Thrawn event does not mean you can get Thrawn. Some people get him with g8, some have to have g10 characters to do it.

I'm guessing they dont only use GP as the sole criteria. I'm also guessing they will never tell us the exact formulae because min-maxers will job the system. I'm also sure they will contine to tweak it.

Just my opinion.

"Vicarious;c-1712960" wrote:
Darnesswon-

Ships will be used in some of the later Grand Arena tournaments but I obviously agree 100% with everything else you said.

Kyno-

A long distance runner and a sprinter train differently because they are competing in two completely different events. They dont have to and won’t face each other.

correct, they both focus on different areas. that doesn't make them not both classified as runners. but it does mean that they do things differently and some are good in one area that the other is not.

players are the same way. they have built for different game modes. collecting vs being competitive in various degrees. someone who has built a wide collection may not be able to compete against someone who has built up for TW.

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"Darknesswon;c-1712956" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1712874" wrote:

"Vicarious;c-1712793" wrote:
I respect you Kyno and you may still remember me, but that’s some **** right there. Sorry to say.

Players are being put at a disadvantage for leveling up characters, plain and simple. This has been an issue with TW matchmaking from day one. It’s now even a bigger problem for those who want to be competitive in Grand arena.

I agree players should be selective when using their resources but shouldn’t be at a disadvantage because they have mods on all their chars and etc.

TB a guild needs high GP to get the max stars. So we have one game mode where CG is saying Work on Everything, it will be beneficial and then we have two other game modes where CG is basically saying the opposite. Besides all that, Paper zombie. Does anything else really need to be said....

Paper zombie

so players who focused on different game modes being at a disadvantage to player who focused on being competitive in TW style of game play. I'm not sure how that is anything other than the way its supposed to be plain and simple.

no this is different than TW matchmaking. that is an issue of itself but mostly based around matching vs multiple players.

matching based on GP and other factors can work fine. and if they dont have teams or counter teams built for this style of game mode, thats their fault.

If we knew this game mode was coming yes, otherwise how is it anyone's fault , thet didnt prepare for something they knew nothing about.
There were no hints , no login toons that pointed to this. Introducing another game mode that punishes collectors in a collector game us just silly. Which is why i'll put one toon on defense and be done with it. Will not waste a second on a game mode that punishes me because of how i choose to play a game.
And lastly zombie was changed because they didn't want ppl gaining an advantage for not powering up toons , well you just created a game mode , that will stop the powering up of all non meta toons , to keep gp low to face much easier opponents. Does not make much sense.
And as far as i know total GP also includes ships even though none can be used. Which is another handicap to those who actually use and worked on a bunch of ships.

I'm not saying we knew what was coming, but competitive player have been honing their TW teams and counter teams. That is the build that would end up being better suited for this.

collecting with no point is a great venture, but is not the build of someone who is trying to be competitive. and yes if you are a collector for a collectings sake then you will not be the best in a competitive mode. its not what you trained for.

My opponent and I have almost the same GP. They have 19 zetas I have 30. They have 1 G12 I have 33.

They have 1 G12.

Similar collections?

With that said, if you have 3m GP and just 1 G12, you kinda deserve this matchup.

I'll bet they have a ton of the gold eyeball challenge gear though!

@kyno It would be an insult to the marathoner, the sprinter, and the spectators to ask those two to race.

Why do I get the feeling that there’s a lot of overlap between people complaining about the new PvP game mode and the players I see on Reddit with 300+ zeta mats saved.

"Kyno;c-1713008" wrote:

"FalenXLacer;c-1712999" wrote:
kyno It would be an insult to the marathoner, the sprinter, and the spectators to ask those two to race.

my point is that they are classified the same they are both runners, but built and trained to do 2 different things.

much like players of a game. some built to collect and other built to be competitive. the collector will be at a disadvantage in TW or GA, they will likely have an advantage across other game modes, especially when something new arrives.

some have invested to be both (with time and/or $$).

I understand your point. Understand mine. No one is going to have any fun in that matchup.

This is looking like it's purely GP matchmaking. Everyone I know playing this game have pretty lopsided matches ahead. Sure, it's the beta if you will but to say that matchmaking based off of GP can work just isn't true. Hopefully they address it in the near future but I'm still excited about the new mode. But they did match the GP pretty well but it's obvious that GP alone is a terrible indicator of overall strength.

"CaptainRex;c-1712972" wrote:
Kyno and Vicarious are talking about two different things (sort of). Both are related to GP, but Kyno is talking about how GP is focused, whereas Vicarious is talking about the overall concept of GP, and how CG has directly stated they want to reward players for leveling/gearing/etc toons and making progress, which is not happening in TW and Grand Arena, because of "fluff".
(At least that's how I'm reading both your points, correct me if I'm wrong :smiley:)

Correct