GP Matchmaking & “Fluff”

"Ultra;c-1713025" wrote:

"TVF;c-1712998" wrote:
My opponent and I have almost the same GP. They have 19 zetas I have 30. They have 1 G12 I have 33.

They have 1 G12.

Similar collections?

With that said, if you have 3m GP and just 1 G12, you kinda deserve this matchup.

I'll bet they have a ton of the gold eyeball challenge gear though!

My old guild leader refused to go to g12 even if he had all the necessary gear

He reached 3 million GP without a single gold toon and I feel like your opponent has the same mindset

Why would someone do this? G12 makes the character you’re upgrading more effective. Why just stop?

The simplest way to fix or at least mitigate the problem is to tweak the gp you get from adding g12 gear. The problem is that each piece of g12 gear provides a huge bonus to the toon but only a couple of hundred GP. I think if you increased the gp from g12 gear by 10x you see some viable advantages to a broader deck vs a tall.

That said I honestly don't understand all the angst.
The collectors have bad arena ratings because they focus their resources on trash characters. Most of the ones I've seen have an arena rank in the 1,000's. If you have been ok with an arena rank in the 1,000's why do you think you should have a good shot at taking 1st place in the "Grand Arena"?

Finally because the arena is awarding prizes on each round and the losers from the first round are matched together in the 2nd round then the collectors are likely going to be competing against each other in the second round. Likewise winners from round 1 will likely be all tall decks so the arena by its nature will become more competitive and fair each round as those with competitive advantages are matched up with others of the same advantages.

Also as a side note it's been stated that the GA will have different rules periodically so the next one might be all ships. Those who have focused on ships may have the same GP as someone who avoided ships and have a clear advantage. Or they could do one where the number of defense spots is doubled giving a clear advantage to the collectors.

If your roster is Tw/Arena focused you should absolutely be able to crush those that are not and rewarded with similar GP accounts that are collectors or PvE focused. I say this because I don't receive any favors in TB where collectors have the advantage. I don't get rewarded in raids based on my lack of raid squads and thus only compete with non-raid focused players.

Want to do better in GA - build GA teams
Want to do better in Raids - build Raid teams
Want to do better in TB - build TB teams

"Moldrak;c-1713045" wrote:

The collectors have bad arena ratings because they focus their resources on trash characters. Most of the ones I've seen have an arena rank in the 1,000's. If you have been ok with an arena rank in the 1,000's why do you think you should have a good shot at taking 1st place in the "Grand Arena"?

I don’t know if we have the same definition of “collectors.” And I’m not really saying that collectors “deserve” win in GA. But it does frankly seem kind of redundant for the exact same people who chase every meta in the arena to have the advantage in the new game mode as well. If that were the goal, why not just sweeten the rewards for arena. I was looking forward to GA because I thought it might be an individual game mode that rewarded real roster depth. But it just doesn’t.

"Moldrak;c-1713045" wrote:

Finally because the arena is awarding prizes on each round and the losers from the first round are matched together in the 2nd round then the collectors are likely going to be competing against each other in the second round. Likewise winners from round 1 will likely be all tall decks so the arena by its nature will become more competitive and fair each round as those with competitive advantages are matched up with others of the same advantages.

I’ll grant you that if the exhibition we’re running in the 3-round format, my reaction would have been a lot milder, fr exactly the reasons you lay out.

Exactly

Seems like CG would be against players wanting to avoid working on their collections. I don’t get it.

"FalenXLacer;c-1712999" wrote:
@kyno It would be an insult to the marathoner, the sprinter, and the spectators to ask those two to race.

To use that analogy if you made the sprinters and marathoners race a 50 yard dash. Obviously all the sprinters win round 1. Round 2 all the sprinters are competing against other sprinters and likewise all the marathoners are competing against each other. It no longer matters what kind of race you are running because you are competing against people with an equivalent skill set.

The 3rd round it's not sprinters vs marathoners but slow marathoners vs other slow marathoners as the competition gets more equal.

Since you get roughly half the prize for second place if you're matched up with someone you can't beat you can literally deploy and for 30 seconds of effort you get some nice gear. Then in the second round you will face a more competitive match. Even if you lose all 3 rounds that's the equivalent of 1 win and 1 loss and you literally have to do nothing but deploy on the first round to get it.

The end result is a bell shaped curve where something like 80% of participants getting the equivalent of 2 wins or 2 wins 1 loss. While the top 10% get 3 wins and the bottom 1 win 1 loss rewards. As opposed to the regular arena where the top 10% get pretty much everything.

"Moldrak;c-1713064" wrote:

"FalenXLacer;c-1712999" wrote:
@kyno It would be an insult to the marathoner, the sprinter, and the spectators to ask those two to race.

To use that analogy if you made the sprinters and marathoners race a 50 yard dash. Obviously all the sprinters win round 1. Round 2 all the sprinters are competing against other sprinters and likewise all the marathoners are competing against each other. It no longer matters what kind of race you are running because you are competing against people with an equivalent skill set.

The 3rd round it's not sprinters vs marathoners but slow marathoners vs other slow marathoners as the competition gets more equal.

Since you get roughly half the prize for second place if you're matched up with someone you can't beat you can literally deploy and for 30 seconds of effort you get some nice gear. Then in the second round you will face a more competitive match. Even if you lose all 3 rounds that's the equivalent of 1 win and 1 loss and you literally have to do nothing but deploy on the first round to get it.

The end result is a bell shaped curve where something like 80% of participants getting the equivalent of 2 wins or 2 wins 1 loss. While the top 10% get 3 wins and the bottom 1 win 1 loss rewards. As opposed to the regular arena where the top 10% get pretty much everything.

It would still be preferable for everybody to have three rounds of decent competition than one round where we’re all bored followed by two rounds of decent competition.

No one will be good in every mode unless they super-whale. Grand Arena is fun, but if you can do well in TB or even personally in TW, Grand Arena will be harder, and then the reverse is true as well. Every mode pulls at different strengths. Don’t try to win them all, just have fun and kick back. Winning definitely helps with fun, but don’t let it define your fun. And for any that it does, take a tiny break if you can pull yourself away. Remind yourself it’s a game and it’s supposed to just be a blast playing as your dream character in a dream team beating the snot out of the other guy. I took a long hiatus, came back, and love this game more than I could’ve otherwise. Best decision I made. Sorry for the essay, but just take it easy as you can. Being competitive is fun, but too much sucks the fun out of this game.

"CaptainRex;c-1712984" wrote:
GP is almost identical. However, notice the disparity in G12 toons versus G11/10/9, and especially G8.

Problem I currently have in my matchup. Same GP , but huge variance in the quality of characters.

The way I see it is that its just like TW, sometimes you'll get people to steamroll, other times people will steamroll you and rarely you get a match that's actually an even good fight. Just gotta hope to get more of the rare actual even good fights then not.

But since its like TW and how bad the matchmaking is there most of the time - its terrible right now. Maybe changes down the line fixes it.

I mean we told them SO many times from multiple people that basing it off GP is wrong. GP means nothing Gp actually means literally squat when it comes to how strong a player is.

I have near 2mil gp and there is 3.5mil gp players that I could squash. Mods and Gear and the right toons are what matters. Never GP....

Edit: Though what seems to be worse is that Ship GP was included in these matchups, so people with more ships then toons will be at the most disadvantage here. (Untill we get ship area's)