How exactly does potency and tenacity work?

"Snake2;930466" wrote:

"ImjustaPUG;930389" wrote:

"Meerava;930383" wrote:
Question of the ages. What's been mentioned before is it's tenacity minus potency, and tenacity bottoms at 15%. But behavior in game doesn't explain that too well, since I've had a character with 90% potency get resisted multiple times in a row by someone with less than half of that in tenacity.

Not exactly right. The resist chance is potency minus tenacity. The resist chance has a minimum of 15%. This means that if tenacity down is applied there is still a 15% resist chance

Wrong. If the resist chance was potency minus tenacity, then higher potency = higher resist chance.

Resist chance is tenacity minus potency, minimum 15%. As others have said.

You are correct. I typed it the wrong way around. Per my other post tenacity has to be more than 15% higher than potency for this to make a difference. So essentially tenacity mods are useless unless you go all out.

"DarthxMaul;930481" wrote:

"Snake2;930466" wrote:

"ImjustaPUG;930389" wrote:

"Meerava;930383" wrote:
Question of the ages. What's been mentioned before is it's tenacity minus potency, and tenacity bottoms at 15%. But behavior in game doesn't explain that too well, since I've had a character with 90% potency get resisted multiple times in a row by someone with less than half of that in tenacity.

Not exactly right. The resist chance is potency minus tenacity. The resist chance has a minimum of 15%. This means that if tenacity down is applied there is still a 15% resist chance

Wrong. If the resist chance was potency minus tenacity, then higher potency = higher resist chance.

Resist chance is tenacity minus potency, minimum 15%. As others have said.

So basically tenacity mods are horrible?

Yep. Potency technically has a +15% added to it, opponent will always need 15% less potency then you to get the same effect as an equal value.

"sjkerhfgdjhd;930728" wrote:

"Kyno;930676" wrote:

"DarthxMaul;930481" wrote:

"Snake2;930466" wrote:

"ImjustaPUG;930389" wrote:

"Meerava;930383" wrote:
Question of the ages. What's been mentioned before is it's tenacity minus potency, and tenacity bottoms at 15%. But behavior in game doesn't explain that too well, since I've had a character with 90% potency get resisted multiple times in a row by someone with less than half of that in tenacity.

Not exactly right. The resist chance is potency minus tenacity. The resist chance has a minimum of 15%. This means that if tenacity down is applied there is still a 15% resist chance

Wrong. If the resist chance was potency minus tenacity, then higher potency = higher resist chance.

Resist chance is tenacity minus potency, minimum 15%. As others have said.

So basically tenacity mods are horrible?

Yep. Potency technically has a +15% added to it, opponent will always need 15% less potency then you to get the same effect as an equal value.

And if what I have heard is true most characters get more potency from gear than they get tenacity, leaving tenacity even further in the hole.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Never seen a natural tenacity higher then potency on any toon.

Edit: I'm wrong but tenacity is always way closer then the 15%.

"DarthxMaul;930461" wrote:

"Kyno;930393" wrote:
First, outside of potency/tenacity he has an 80% chance to produce the effect.

If he does produce the effect:
Tenacity - potency = chance to resist(this vaue can never be lower then 15%)

In your example it would be a 15% chance to resist the effect. Or vader would have an 85% chance to land the effect.

Are you 100% sure this is true?

Yes, 99% at least.

What if I said I was tired of my character getting debuffed all the time, so I swapped his Potency primary for a Tenacity Primary and he's now resisting more than he's debuffed. The downside is he'll be having a harder time landing his effects, but still works out for what I want from him.

It's not as broken a mechanic as people claim it is, just harder than stacking Potency.

"War;930770" wrote:
What if I said I was tired of my character getting debuffed all the time, so I swapped his Potency primary for a Tenacity Primary and he's now resisting more than he's debuffed. The downside is he'll be having a harder time landing his effects, but still works out for what I want from him.

It's not as broken a mechanic as people claim it is, just harder than stacking Potency.

This is true it can be done, but it's like other odd mod stats ( crit avoidance, accuracy. ..) it's more situational then universally helpful.

"Kyno;930780" wrote:

"War;930770" wrote:
What if I said I was tired of my character getting debuffed all the time, so I swapped his Potency primary for a Tenacity Primary and he's now resisting more than he's debuffed. The downside is he'll be having a harder time landing his effects, but still works out for what I want from him.

It's not as broken a mechanic as people claim it is, just harder than stacking Potency.

This is true it can be done, but it's like other odd mod stats ( crit avoidance, accuracy. ..) it's more situational then universally helpful.

I also ran an Accuracy primary on RG in the past. He's a taunter after all, why would I want his taunt to end early. And we were in the height of the dodge meta, so I used him stun targets so my others could hit.

"War;930789" wrote:

"Kyno;930780" wrote:

"War;930770" wrote:
What if I said I was tired of my character getting debuffed all the time, so I swapped his Potency primary for a Tenacity Primary and he's now resisting more than he's debuffed. The downside is he'll be having a harder time landing his effects, but still works out for what I want from him.

It's not as broken a mechanic as people claim it is, just harder than stacking Potency.

This is true it can be done, but it's like other odd mod stats ( crit avoidance, accuracy. ..) it's more situational then universally helpful.

I also ran an Accuracy primary on RG in the past. He's a taunter after all, why would I want his taunt to end early. And we were in the height of the dodge meta, so I used him stun targets so my others could hit.

Yes I run accuracy on B2 and crit avoidance on ashoka. I have heard of others running crit avoidance on shore too.

I put my tenacity mods on my rg, got him up 85%, I see very little resistance to the likes of Boba and tfp. Take into consideration that natural potency is higher for toons than tenacity, I belive tenacity is under powered. It's one reason why speed is key to this game. Tweek tenacity up a little, and you will diversify mods and the game for the better IMO.

"Undutchable;930819" wrote:
I put my tenacity mods on my rg, got him up 85%, I see very little resistance to the likes of Boba and tfp. Take into consideration that natural potency is higher for toons than tenacity, I belive tenacity is under powered. It's one reason why speed is key to this game. Tweek tenacity up a little, and you will diversify mods and the game for the better IMO.

Why rg, his skills are nice but seems an odd choice to avoid AB or stun.

I agree I was going to start a thread to brainstorm changes for it, but then all the qol stuff came up so I've been avoiding it. It would be nice to make hunting tenacity almost equal to potency. I would love to be able to set up Rex or gk to be almost immune to AB or stun. It's unfortunate not all mods are created equal.