Let’s take away the barriers to reporting cheaters

"Ultra;c-2339716" wrote:

"Justokay;d-254030" wrote:

Is it possible to learn this power?

Only if you have this,

I dont get this general atmosphere here about trying to help LD. We know he is precisely part of the problem. He has been exposed of negotiating with cheaters, and there have been numerous reports of reported players going inactive for well defined periods of time then reactivating X weeks later. If you are brave enough to connect the dots it means that LD is not enforcing the company's zero tolerance policy and as such he is indeed part of the problem. Imo a weekly report is due completely anonymously:

# of players reported this week
Of which investigated
Of which sanctioned
A) with a permaban
B) with temporary ban (this is definitive zero, right???)

But honestly, after getting exposed, LD should not have kept his office. Like what kind of joke this is, srsly. Things need to have consequences no matter if we are talking about cheaters, or enforcing policies.

LD is not the single but the biggest reason i am not spending on this game.

"SerWulfgar;c-2339945" wrote:
B) with temporary ban (this is definitive zero, right???)

I think temporary bans are fine on case-by-case basis

I'm thinking of players who were knowingly exploiting stuff here, and not hacking the game or modifying battles illegally

"Ultra;c-2339948" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2339945" wrote:
B) with temporary ban (this is definitive zero, right???)

I think temporary bans are fine on case-by-case basis

I'm thinking of players who were knowingly exploiting stuff here, and not hacking the game or modifying battles illegally

No, let's not cross that line for various reasons.

I say it is extremely unlikely for a player to get reported by another player for finding exploitable bugs. If a player exploits a bug that has been red-flagged by CG or EA (we have a half-functioning website for that) then no, temporary ban is not acceptable, and if we are talking about an exploit that has not been acknowledged by EA/CG (and is not a hack or modifciation either) then I see no reason to punish the player at all.

But I really do appreciate your effort to relativize LD-s negotiation with the cheaters without actually mentioning his name, while partly-quoting a post that directly called him out on it. Spectacular work.

Wow OP that's some subtle cheating going on there ?

That being said, sorry to hear you are being affected by this and I hope CG do make it easier to report people in-game like in most PvP games these days...

"SerWulfgar;c-2339981" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2339948" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2339945" wrote:
B) with temporary ban (this is definitive zero, right???)

I think temporary bans are fine on case-by-case basis

I'm thinking of players who were knowingly exploiting stuff here, and not hacking the game or modifying battles illegally

No, let's not cross that line for various reasons.

I say it is extremely unlikely for a player to get reported by another player for finding exploitable bugs. If a player exploits a bug that has been red-flagged by CG or EA (we have a half-functioning website for that) then no, temporary ban is not acceptable, and if we are talking about an exploit that has not been acknowledged by EA/CG (and is not a hack or modifciation either) then I see no reason to punish the player at all.

But I really do appreciate your effort to relativize LD-s negotiation with the cheaters without actually mentioning his name, while partly-quoting a post that directly called him out on it. Spectacular work.

lol I'm not trying to "relativize" LD's thing and I've always expressed dissatisfaction and disappointment over the whole thing

I'm not going to defend LD over it, or am I here to defend him (he can speak for himself)

I am thinking of the daily challenges sim bug, that a bunch of players, in secret, were exploiting where you could sim any weekly challenges an extra time, so when Zeta mats were first released, as part of the fleet challenges, some players were simming it 3 times, knowingly exploiting the bug without CG's knowledge while keeping it secret

"Ultra;c-2339989" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2339981" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2339948" wrote:

"SerWulfgar;c-2339945" wrote:
B) with temporary ban (this is definitive zero, right???)

I think temporary bans are fine on case-by-case basis

I'm thinking of players who were knowingly exploiting stuff here, and not hacking the game or modifying battles illegally

No, let's not cross that line for various reasons.

I say it is extremely unlikely for a player to get reported by another player for finding exploitable bugs. If a player exploits a bug that has been red-flagged by CG or EA (we have a half-functioning website for that) then no, temporary ban is not acceptable, and if we are talking about an exploit that has not been acknowledged by EA/CG (and is not a hack or modifciation either) then I see no reason to punish the player at all.

But I really do appreciate your effort to relativize LD-s negotiation with the cheaters without actually mentioning his name, while partly-quoting a post that directly called him out on it. Spectacular work.

lol I'm not trying to "relativize" LD's thing and I've always expressed dissatisfaction and disappointment over the whole thing

I'm not going to defend LD over it, or am I here to defend him (he can speak for himself)

I am thinking of the daily challenges sim bug, that a bunch of players, in secret, were exploiting where you could sim any weekly challenges an extra time, so when Zeta mats were first released, as part of the fleet challenges, some players were simming it 3 times, knowingly exploiting the bug without CG's knowledge while keeping it secret

I quite honestly think that CG needs to come out, announce it on an official place, like the devtracker ot the bugforum and red-flag it. It is THEIR screwup, not the players. I also quite honestly think that everyone who exploited it before red-flagging the bug should get away with whatever they got. That is, if they did not use a third party software. AFTER the red-flagging, temporary ban should not be an option either.

Thirdly, I reported approximately 10 bugs just in this year, and prolly 20 more last year. I also read the bugreports very frequently so I will go and say that vast majority of these bugs are not desirable to the players, nor can they willingly exploit it, and lastly these bugs do not have an obvious and immediate effect on their PVP performance.... which again means they will not get reported by another player. Okay, there are exceptions to each of these points but what is the percentage of all of the reports created because of issues like this?

Of course you can have a system that goes after these people, who cares. Maybe LD finds a way to negotiate some revenue from it for the company lol. My suggestion started with "# of reported players this week". Simming for extra zeta/omicron/r9 mats does not create impossible battle results.

But if CG rejects the responsibility for their horrible coding skills then a temporary ban is not fit for these kinds of exploitations imo.

This thread isn't to bash LD, or any other developers, please keep it civil

If you have any suggestions, to improve catching cheaters, suggest them

Can these suggestions include HR decisions or that would classify as bashing on someone?

I wouldn't mind a ticket system for reporting cheaters. Players could track ticket progression through whatever process CG has for resolving the issue so at least we would know we aren't completely being ignored. Simply knowing that our message was recieved and read by LD would be a huge improvement over what we currently have. I'm fully aware of privacy issues involved with this sort of thing but I refuse to believe the current system is the best that can be done. I would imagine industry standards have got to be higher than the garbage they are saddling this player base with.