Let's fix Tenacity vs Potentcy

Under your model, you need 35% more potency than opponent's tenacity just to get down to the minimum 15% chance to resist that there is now.

Yea. And what's wrong with that? It's pretty easy to do. This is a give and take for both sides. I don't have a bias on this issue. It doesn't make sense to have tenacity be an uphill battle. A chance to apply a debuff should be 50% if everything is equal.
You would now have to decide between potency, tenacity or speed instead of having worthless attributes and all out speed.

"Drazz127;c-1107463" wrote:
Yea. And what's wrong with that? It's pretty easy to do. This is a give and take for both sides. I don't have a bias on this issue. It doesn't make sense to have tenacity be an uphill battle. A chance to apply a debuff should be 50% if everything is equal.
You would now have to decide between potency, tenacity or speed instead of having worthless attributes and all out speed.

why on earth should the chance to apply a debuff be 50% if everything is equal?
it would just mean debuffers get weaker because they have to mod for potency, addtionally the non-debuff enemy can cancel out those potency mods with tenacity mods if you so chose.
so basically debuffers get hit on both sides of the fence, while non-debuffers can chose all the mods they currently use without suffering in any negative way from this change or make them super debuff resistant wich would make the debuffers potency irrelevant. So no matter what they chose, it's always better than the debuffer.

First, why shouldn't they be equal. What is the point to have tenacity be completely worthless? Also this would also give you the option to increase the chance to apply a debuff to 100% instead of 85% if you so choose. (All you need is 50% more potency than their tenacity.) Also if you put enough potency (which is easier to get higher than tenacity) tenacity up would never be a guaranteed resist.

My 106% tenacity B2 is always getting dazed, stunned etc...

I don't know what the answer is to make tenacity useful but in its current state it's useless.

"Gank_Killer;c-1107610" wrote:
My 90% Potency Palpatine already gets resisted everywhere he goes.
I completely agree that the problem is Tenacity Up being guaranteed resist. If Tenacity Down still maintains 15% chance to resist, Tenacity Up should maintain 15% chance to apply debuff.

well I think the min 15% chance to resist should be removed. However the powers that be disagree and are keeping it there.

"Gank_Killer;c-1107610" wrote:
My 90% Potency Palpatine already gets resisted everywhere he goes.
I completely agree that the problem is Tenacity Up being guaranteed resist. If Tenacity Down still maintains 15% chance to resist, Tenacity Up should maintain 15% chance to apply debuff.

Couldn't agree more, tenacity up is the issue here. At the very least it should maintain a 15% chance to apply... I'm more of the opinion that it should buff the individual toons tenacity stat by a %...

"Drazz127;d-114156" wrote:
Wouldn't a new formula make a bit more sense, so these two abilities are more useful?

Chance to resist = 50% + Tenacity - Potency.
Get rid of the 15% minimum chance to resist.
Make Tenacity up give +100% tenacity
Make Tenacity down give -100% tenacity

This way tenacity and potency are equals and gives you a reason to mod for high tenacity or high potency depending on your strategy. What is really the point of them with how it is now? As is, you only have to get a debuffer's potency to 15% less than the opponents tenacity for the maximum chance to apply a debuff.

Why not chance to resist equals tenacity-potency.

It really needs to be a non linear formula to make sure there is always at least some advantage to adding more tenacity/potency

Take away all minimums and just have potency vs tenacity. Expose should make all effects occur imo too.