7 years ago

Let's not leave out JTR

A lot of the focus is on the Sith Raid and I think that those who enjoy it a bit are doing Heroic and the only guilds that can do Heroic have plenty of JTR teams. Let's face it. there is a direct correlation between being able to complete Heroic and having JTR. That means a singular character makes the difference.

OK. It's not the first time a toon has been meta and it won't be the last. Nor should it. And if it is going to be OP then it shouldn't be a cake walk to get. Not saying they should hand it out, but CLS is petty high value in the game and there is a reasonable path to get him.

I myself have 2.4 MM GP, but don't have JTR. Let's explore why. Well I didn't get her the first go round due to my lack of BB8 (among other things which I will cover below). That was a result of me lacking enough FO to get him to 7 star. Now I'm OK with this 100%. It's the first peek at her and I'm not expecting to get her the first time. I didn't get CLS the first time, I didn't get 7 star palp or 7 star yoda (though I got lower versions at least) the first time. In fact if I recall for them it took 3 or 4 times to get 7 star. Thrawn I got a 5 star i think then took me 2 more times to get him 7 star. I had a challenge in front of me, a means to get it and small rewards along the way in a usable character, albeit lower star rating.

So not having BB8 at 7 stars I knew I'd need another pass or two at the BB8 event, and BB8 is a pretty good character to have and worth farming. The FO teams aren't too bad and the grind on them isn't outrageous though FOST took a while. At the end I had a cohesive FO team and with BB8 a nice addition to my resistance team.

Now let's look at the other aspect of JTR. Two tier 8 cantina toons.Hey maybe they are good to have in a team and worth farming apart from JTR, but I don't see many of them in the arena. Not that it is an indicator of usefulness in itself. Regardless the grind for it and the RNG for me at least was soul sucking. I stopped altogether. I'd go 2-3 days in a row with my afternoon cantina refresh included and get 0 shards. Nothing. I mean how unexciting is that? Sure that happens with other toons as well, but two in tier 8 requiring the most amount of energy and you go multiple days in a row, multiple times with nothing. I feel like farming Baze I'd spend my energy and get blanked, but the next day I'd at least get one. 3 days in a row getting nothing makes it the most unexciting thing to do in the game or at least feel that way. And not just for one character, which may be tolerable, but two. And yes there have been days I've spent on refreshes, but not any more. What a waste. Meanwhile you go release KRU in cantina and I'd pull 4-7 day and 4-7 ships shards. What do you think is more exciting or fun to do. So KRU got attention from me.

Vet Chewie and Han though are a soul sucking kick in the pants all to get the one character that has tangible meaning in the Sith Raid and is a deciding factor in if you are doing Heroic or not.

Ideas? Maybe ease up on the vet drop rate a tad, but I don't ways agree that increasing drop rates is the best answer so maybe drop them down to tier 5 or 6 in the cantna so you get more attempts in a day? Or how about having tiers for JTR where you can unlock her at 5 stars so you can see a progression of rewards for your time as opposed to a waterfall effect. (Think Agile Devs!!!) Then maybe be able to utilize her in raid. I'm thinking a 6 star JTR fully geared (to 11 because not 7 star) may still have some Raid value.

TL/DR: One toon is the factor in doing the Sith Raid on Heroic and quite a few people don't have her because farming Vet Chewie and Han is as boring as the Sith Raid itself with similar rewards for time and effort.

grafmorgul
7 years ago
Just return her event please.
Acrofales
7 years ago
"OnEMesSduPKiD;c-1548954" wrote:
My problem with this whole thing is that it is necessary to farm other characters in order to stay in or get accepted into heroic guilds; i.e. you need captain Han, ROLO, Starck, Bounty Hunters, troopers, soldier/scout, etc. These character requirements are in addition to the Vets - *both Vets*, both of which are Cantina. There are too many requirements at one time. I used to spend a small amount of money on this game (about $20 a week) and I had no shot of having all of the characters that I needed as TB, TW, and JTR were all introduced in the span of a few months. It’s impossible for people who don’t spend money... plain and simple.

No. It isn't. I didn't spend money. Of course, I did spend time.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
"MntMan;c-1548965" wrote:
So don't make it easier to get her 7 star. Keep the Vets an RNG nightmare, but let her unlock at 5 stars so you can feel you are getting something out of it.

Hard disagree. I repeat my earlier statement, they shouldn't make something easier to acquire just because they released hard content. Do the tier you're able to, and get farming like the rest of us did.

By the way the Vets aren't an "RNG nightmare," they're exactly the same as any other cantina farm at the same energy level.
Waquira
7 years ago
"MntMan;d-169586" wrote:

TL/DR: One toon is the factor in doing the Sith Raid on Heroic and quite a few people don't have her because farming Vet Chewie and Han is as boring as the Sith Raid itself with similar rewards for time and effort.

You didn't get JTR the second time around because you chose to interrupt your veterans farming. You decided to interrupt it after a short dry streak instead of considering the overall drop rate which is on par with all other cantina node toons. Alas, it was a deliberate choice to not have JTR by now. Your choice. Every long—time player who doesn't have JTR by now chose it himself/herself. It sucks to not have her and only have yourself to blame. However, the best you can do now is to prepare for unlocking her at 7* the next time. Lower tiers of the event are not necessary for you, since you've had plenty of time to get your toons to 7* by now.
bcarry82
7 years ago
"MntMan;c-1549085" wrote:
Yes, yes and yes. Of course what you are saying is true and because of the nature any internet argument or discussion we can all google theories on statistics, formulas, etc. and post it up. I'm not even suggesting that you even need google to come up with what is common sense. I mean TVF's statement of sample size is the single most important factor and I get and understand that.

Let's also ignore the fact that from a monetary point of view it is in their best interest to tune down the drop rate a bit. Ignoring all logic, facts, sample size and drop rates I'll just say it's not fun. If it's not the drop rate then whatever. I can't describe then why this particular grind is what gets me more than any other. I mean shoretrooper is no picnic. I don't have him 7 star yet and am grinding away on him, but he doens't bother me nearly as much and I'll keep at it. For whatever reason the JTR grind grinds my gears. Don't have 7 star Chimera yet. It's been a slow process, but no worries from me. I'll keep at it. Thrawn didn't break a sweat. Plugged away at Pheonix and yay. CLS same. Palp, BB8, R2D2, Yoda. Keep em coming. JTR however I despise. So let's leave it at that. My own decision for sure, and maybe while it flies in the face of logic I do not have the empirical data to be able to see the drop tables so I am calling fowl because it makes me feel better and I can move on from her and enjoy the rest of the game. Prove me wrong, but without seeing the code behind it I'll still hold out that the drops are tuned even if by 0.00000001%.

The drop rate feels worse for the Vets because you know once you have JTR you'll never use them again except to plug a Platoon. You also want JTR more than most other toons you're grinding. So it's a double whammy of emotional grinding roller coaster.

I feel you.

She's worth it.

Hang tough.
Waquira
7 years ago
"MntMan;c-1549026" wrote:
It wasn't after a single small dry streak by the way. It's after many and i'm sure you've all went through them on your journey to get her. I do in fact believe that the vet drop rate is lower than others in that tier. I can look at the rate for death trooper as an example. Nothing as bad as the vets.

Yes, I've experienced dry streaks as well, and I've fealt, that the drop rate for vets was significantly lower than for other characters. That's why I started tracking the drop rates. After a few hundred battles for each of the two my results were 32% and 35% respectively. I believe others would see similar results.

It sucks for you, that you gave up. It sucks even more that you gave up for the reason you did, because your perception of the drop rates was so very wrong. However, the best thing you can do now is to accept that you made a bad choice, get back on track and prepare for the next time the event appears — better sooner than later.
themadbastage
7 years ago
"MntMan;c-1549425" wrote:
The intent behind my post is that CG asked for feedback on the Sith raid and they are getting scalded. Lit up. I gave my opinion in there as well. JTR however is a huge factor as part of the Sith problem. She is crux for Heroic runs and good guilds will screen players to make sure they have JTR teams. The raid can be run without her and parts 2 and 3 are playable, but Part 1 is the hold up and she is the key. Hence the title of my post.

I have given up on her. My choice, and whether a good one or bad I've chosen to focus elsewhere. As I said it's not fun and I won't go down that path any more for now. Maybe when I run out of things to farm. Possibly in my initial post (apologies it was long) I said I'll just wait for the next meta. I am not a newer player. No idea when I started but not new by any stretch though not a Day 1 player. Well before ships and level and gear increases. While my post suggests (well more than suggests) I want her to be easier, and I wouldn't turn it down, I'm saying that a bottle neck for the new raid is her and if you want to reduce the bottleneck you could change things. Or you can change the raid dynamics and I'm happy to let her and the vets pass me like a ship in the night.

But if she remains a focal point then making her easier to obtain, even at lower stars, may alleviate some of the pain for some, though obviously at the anguish of all those who already worked hard for her.

You are thinking individually about a problem that isn't an individual one. You claim you need JTR to finish the Heroic STR. This is incorrect. You need 15-20. You also need other toons, and many Zetas. Your guild can finish Heroic if you don't get JTR.

Also, many of the active users here work in a STEM field. Statistics isn't something we have to Google. I have a feeling that your comment there is similar to your overall complaint. You're approaching the problem through a filter that is all about you.
bcarry82
7 years ago
"MntMan;c-1549758" wrote:
I'm old enough to remember a time well before the internet when everyone didn't feel the need to bring logic into an opinion conversation. I'm not listing facts here. I'm listing my opinion and as ill informed as it may seem it is in fact my opinion. You're spending the time to read it so joke's on you.

I think you meant to post this in the "Flat Earth" forum post...
emvedebe
7 years ago
"t0neg0d;c-1550037" wrote:

Where the big problem is... she is a must in all tiers/phases of STR. not a nice to have, not even an important to have... a MUST have & this was intentionally set up because she flopped in arena weeks after release.

that's just balogne. She's definately NOT a must in all phases of the STR. She also did NOT flop in arena.
Where do you come up with this stuff? i mean, really?
tvsfrink
7 years ago
"t0neg0d;c-1550055" wrote:
She had 2 weeks tops in arena top 20.

Since this is another completely untrue statement, I'll just move on.