Leviathan isn’t pushing the meta…

This ship is trash. There is absolutely no damage output, the battles take forever, and there is no consistency in the battles. If Holdo can beat your ship, it’s garbage. I want my crystals back. CG needs to pay Ahnald to do their testing.

"Ryanh1315;c-2431795" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2431786" wrote:

I mean, if you're going to put your fingers in your ears and ignore all of the issues with this fleet, by all means.

What are you talking about? All I did was demonstrate that it's already capable of taking number 1.

It's probably not WAI, may well get tweaked, or needs Lev owners to get the strategy right. Or a mix of the aforesaid.

Just seemed a bit premature to get the pitchforks out..

maybe they got the wording around the wrong way,.. and meant it will be profoundly executed.. as that seems to be more the case currently.

"AlexanderG;c-2431799" wrote:

"Ryanh1315;c-2431795" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2431786" wrote:

I mean, if you're going to put your fingers in your ears and ignore all of the issues with this fleet, by all means.

What are you talking about? All I did was demonstrate that it's already capable of taking number 1.

It's probably not WAI, may well get tweaked, or needs Lev owners to get the strategy right. Or a mix of the aforesaid.

Just seemed a bit premature to get the pitchforks out..

Well no, you didn't prove it. All you've proved is that the player in #1 has Leviathan, not that it's capable of climbing. You didn't prove that they didn't already have #1 and were testing. Also, it's not performing on defence, which implies it's not a strategy issue but a ship issue. I beat a 7* Levi first try with my 7* Prof and there was no point at which I was worried I might lose. I suspect we'll see a buff before the week is out.

Too busy working on their award winning LOTR game. ? ?

I think a whole lot of Leviathan's problems can be traced back to three of its four activated abilities being only usable once per battle. I think there's a solution for this, but it would be pretty text-heavy. Basically, I think that Seize The Bridge needs to function similarly to the Ultimate abilities for Sith Eternal Emperor and Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, in that when you use it, some of the abilities it already has are replaced with new abilities.

Either do that, or have the abilities replace themselves after their first use. Make it thematic. After 'Sabotage the Hangars,' have an ability called 'Fighter Support' that buffs your team. After 'Sabotage the Engines,' turn it into 'Chase Them Down.' After 'Seize The Bridge,' maybe gain 'Pincer Maneuver' or something like that. Have the powerful effect that seizes the enemy ship be a one-time thing, and then give us something else in its place. Even if it starts on cooldown, it would be something we can use rather than having a Capital Ship capable of nothing but using its Basic and calling in reinforcements.

The Leviathan has powerful abilities, but the fact that it loses access to almost all of its abilities permanently is a big failure. Hell, just let us keep the stuff already there that doesn't hurt the enemy but still helps our own guys. And this is just me spit-balling ideas off the top of my head. I'm not a game designer or even a top-tier player. I'm just a regular guy with some ideas who hopes that something will be done to make Leviathan as good as it ought to be.

"BattleFries;c-2431807" wrote:
I think a whole lot of Leviathan's problems can be traced back to three of its four activated abilities being only usable once per battle. I think there's a solution for this, but it would be pretty text-heavy. Basically, I think that Seize The Bridge needs to function similarly to the Ultimate abilities for Sith Eternal Emperor and Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, in that when you use it, some of the abilities it already has are replaced with new abilities.

Either do that, or have the abilities replace themselves after their first use. Make it thematic. After 'Sabotage the Hangars,' have an ability called 'Fighter Support' that buffs your team. After 'Sabotage the Engines,' turn it into 'Chase Them Down.' After 'Seize The Bridge,' maybe gain 'Pincer Maneuver' or something like that. Have the powerful effect that seizes the enemy ship be a one-time thing, and then give us something else in its place. Even if it starts on cooldown, it would be something we can use rather than having a Capital Ship capable of nothing but using its Basic and calling in reinforcements.

The Leviathan has powerful abilities, but the fact that it loses access to almost all of its abilities permanently is a big failure. Hell, just let us keep the stuff already there that doesn't hurt the enemy but still helps our own guys. And this is just me spit-balling ideas off the top of my head. I'm not a game designer or even a top-tier player. I'm just a regular guy with some ideas who hopes that something will be done to make Leviathan as good as it ought to be.

It is almost like they have another character that loses all their abilities when they use their ult. Oh hi SEE, the worst GL. Losing his prot recovery and speed up abilities.

When I read through Lev's kit, I wondered if Holdo would end up being a soft counter, something to take out Leviathan itself and maybe part of a two-shot counter. Maybe would hold it's own once Zorri's ship showed up. Didn't anticipate it being a hard counter. Hope they don't nerf her; Resistance is already the weakest fleet.

The really funny thing is it seems the sith ships do better under Thrawn, Mace or Tarkins cap ships than under Levi... the b-28 is definitely more of a tank under the other cap ships

"Shiryu;c-2431809" wrote:
It is almost like they have another character that loses all their abilities when they use their ult. Oh hi SEE, the worst GL. Losing his prot recovery and speed up abilities.

I literally cited Sith Eternal Emperor in my post as an example of how Leviathan could be changed for the better. Right now, Leviathan uses its abilities once and gains nothing in return. All I'm suggesting is that they instead get something to replace them. An ability you have the option to use is better than an ability you are not allowed to use ever again, right?

And I misunderstood something. JML does not replace his abilities like SEE does, so that's my bad. My fault for not paying enough attention to the kits of stuff I don't have. Sorry about that. All the same, SEE lost his protection recovery and gained something in its place. That doesn't make the design inherently bad, it just means that you traded protection recovery for more damage. If Leviathan replaced its abilities, those abilities could do anything, as opposed to the nothing they do now once the abilities have been used for the first time.

In fact, the Basic ability already does this. It has an effect that only applies "If Seize the Bridge has been used," so why not just reword the other special abilities to say, "If 'Seize the Bridge' has been used, this ability does something else in addition to or instead of some of its other effects."

Executor and Profundity not only get rid of the enemy ship, but they keep their own abilities. With Leviathan, you're not even guaranteed abilities that will be useful. I suppose it is sort of like Sith Eternal Emperor, but instead of trading your ship's abilities for something that you know will benefit you in a certain way, you're trading them for abilities that may or may not be helpful at all, or just minimally helpful. So, in a way, Leviathan is currently worse than Sith Eternal Emperor in how it trades away its abilities.

Taking an enemy ship should mean you get to control both of them, but as it is now, you only control the enemy ship, which likely has no synergy with your fleet unless it's another Leviathan.

All of which is to say, "Yes, I knew exactly what I was saying about fixing Leviathan in to be more like SEE, and I agree even more now that I've given it more thought."