Mod removal cost and mod UI

Credits issue aside, the mod interface and "tools" are abysmal. If the goal by CG was to discourage mod-swapping by making it a time-consuming, clumsy, mundane chore, they absolutely nailed it.

"Kyno;c-2259938" wrote:

"WhosTheBossk83;c-2259927" wrote:
I would argue that credits can always find a use, especially in the grind for better mods. If you disagree, you may not be playing as competitively as others. The credit crunch is endless for those who pressure mods competitively and swap them often to maximize performance and show creativity in TB, TW, and GAC. The point is, why should CG charge away those resources for tinkering with an asset players have already earned, especially (as you pointed out) in the early and mid game.

That is simply not true, you cannot spend credits fast enough on mods, upgrades and other aspects of mod hunting as you hit the later game. Even if you have a very poor idea of how to hunt mods and just buy anything for credits.

Yes the general idea was to lower the amount of swapping, but that has come and gone when they saw how players were using them.

I would guess from your above posts that you have a bunch of players who either have a really bad mod library, and/or go way above and beyond necessity swapping for events. My guild at 330M GP, has many players in that GP range and I have never heard a single compliant about credits.

Kyno, you are always the CG-biased discussion buzzkill. Why would I come on here and lie? ... you saying something definitive like “is simply not true” is typical Kyno and not helpful — 5 people have already liked the post so clearly there is some validity. Just because your experience is different doesn’t mean people who post here don’t have valid points. My guild is the same GP as yours and people run out of credits often. Same thing happens in both my arena shard chats. My mod library is exceptional (tyvm) and if you hawk the mod store, you can spend the credits. Sooooooo let’s not make assumptions or get dogmatic.

“Going above and beyond” lol, what does that even mean?!! Honestly?! Additionally, why NOT let players be creative with their mods and leave their credits alone there. What is wrong with saying “they are your mods, swap away at no cost” — would the game not be more interesting for many players?

Lastly, the mod UI ... many complaints all over forums here and on Discord. Nailed the guild search UI, now let’s address mods too.

"SierexFenix;c-2259981" wrote:

Perhaps if you're not swapping mods as often as I and others, you're doing it wrong.

I make my payout spot every day in both arenas. I swap for every TB battle and Crancor. Every great once in a while for GC or conquest but it's rare I need to. Have great mods and a 150m credit cushion.

What am I doing wrong exactly?

Also, I love how even one of the mods hates moving mods... maybe you could bring the dev crew some donuts for us and suggest a rework on the mod UI. An enjoyable experience for all in every aspect is a win for the game. And I don't know anyone that thinks the mod UI is intuitive.

Why do we pay for mod swaps? I forget, was that answered anywhere? Or did we skip around that?

"SierexFenix;c-2260107" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2260038" wrote:


@SierexFenix (you right, me left) you are welcome to ignore my advice, but I recommend you start farming mods instead of slicing materials. Your mod depth is very thin. If you even spent 2 Crystal refreshes on mods a day you’d boost those numbers much much quicker than you will farming slicing materials.



@WhosTheBossk83 your mods don’t attract any criticism from me.

I get that S is speed, and yes, I definitely need to weed out my garbage mods. I've been more focused on upgrading what I have to reach the higher speed target than farming more.

But O is offense though, right? How is that measured? 150+ what?

Flat offense, 150 or more offense as a mod secondary.

The best way to get higher speed mods is to farm more, always.

"Kyno;c-2260068" wrote:

"SierexFenix;c-2260061" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2260051" wrote:
Isn’t it obvious? It’s a preventative measure to ensure people can’t get by unpenalised with a sub standard mod collection.

Could it cost less? Maybe. I’ve never swapped to the extent that I’ve run short of credits so I’ve never given it much thought.

Hmmm... that seems counter productive.

not at all. the "name of the game" is moving forward and developing. any choices that have you stagnating are going to cost you in some way.

I disagree there. I think CG should open this up and let us use our mods how we want. You need good mods on ~80-90 toons to play a meaningful GAC and TW, but the opportunity to easily swap mods and be creative in these areas is missing because of the credit charge and UI. Not sure why it has to keep coming down to choices within the current paradigm in this conversation. Part of moving forward and developing is on CG as well. I am suggesting changing that paradigm for an overall improvement in gaming experience.

"SierexFenix;c-2260114" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2260111" wrote:

"SierexFenix;c-2260107" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2260038" wrote:


@SierexFenix (you right, me left) you are welcome to ignore my advice, but I recommend you start farming mods instead of slicing materials. Your mod depth is very thin. If you even spent 2 Crystal refreshes on mods a day you’d boost those numbers much much quicker than you will farming slicing materials.



WhosTheBossk83 your mods don’t attract any criticism from me.

I get that S is speed, and yes, I definitely need to weed out my garbage mods. I've been more focused on upgrading what I have to reach the higher speed target than farming more.

But O is offense though, right? How is that measured? 150+ what?

Flat offense, 150 or more offense as a mod secondary.

The best way to get higher speed mods is to farm more, always.

OK, sidebar... isn't offense percentage more viable than flat offense, especially at higher levels?

with 5 hits on % O, a mod will be at or below 10% (not sure on the max, but my highest is 7% so maybe the max is 10%). so in our current climate the combination of toon and mod are not likely to break 150, and the ones getting up there are going to be very few. that would make a 150+ O secondary better in most, if not all cases.

"SierexFenix;c-2260119" wrote:
Also, another sidebar. This question is specifically for TVF Kyno and DarjeloSalas ...

Considering that the three of you have at least 2 GLs, have no need to swap mods, even for LSGeoTB, GAC, GC, Arena, etc. And that credits are of no object to you in the game. Would you consider yourselves to be operating in a higher tier of the game than those that may have one or no GLs or may rely more on mod placement for progress because of their less advanced rosters? Personally I would consider myself operating at a higher tier than someone with less than one GL because I have at least one. Or because I can enter hard mode of conquest when someone may not have the GP to even attempt hard mode.

I ask because it's apparent to me that the higher the tier we become in the game, the less certain aspects of the game affect us as they did before we evolved. The difference between a 3 mill roster and a 5 mill is significant and things that may have bothered us at a lesser gp, no longer do... but we shouldn't have forgotten these things along the way just because they don't affect us anymore.

I only spoke about swapping for PvE and making it in Arenas. I also mentioned swapping for Kam mission, which is LSGeo.

nope, not on another level at all. we are all players here and many of us have grown through the changes they have made to see things like credits no longer being a problem.

we are just trying to help you and other understand that there are times where you can create your own issues, and its not necessarily a game problem, as much as a management problem.

Also, you can see that we have not forgotten that, as many of the posts here acknowledge that this is a early mid game problem, and its something you have to manage as you go through. Ideas around this and solutions have been suggested a few times in this very thread.

"SierexFenix;c-2260137" wrote:

"TVF;c-2260130" wrote:

"SierexFenix;c-2260126" wrote:

"TVF;c-2260122" wrote:

"SierexFenix;c-2260119" wrote:

Considering that the three of you have at least 2 GLs, have no need to swap mods, even for LSGeoTB, GAC, GC, Arena, etc.

Where did I say that?

I swap mods for *every* LSTB battle, for Crancor, and for arena (back and forth between JML and SLKR daily). I just think you aren't managing your credits correctly if you're running out.

Oh, I never said I'm running out... and I operate a 100m floor... but I think spending what I'm spending in credits is just ridiculous.

So you miss out on a few mods from the store or some more leveled greys.

If you're smart about your mods, and iirc yours are much better than OP's, you are better off. Because limited resources advantage those who know how to use them. It's a good thing!

OP was better, mine were lacking.

Ok well flip my posts then lol.