Opinion: Krayt Dragon raid just drags

"pinguinbooks;c-2423573" wrote:
The problem with this raid, is that we run it twice a weak and use the same teams over and over again.
It is even worse, if some teams rely on good rng and need a lot of attempts for a good score. I constantly get the 6.2m crate (in 5 battles), but it's starting to be really unfun.
It would be so great, if once cg 'fixed' the 5 attemps, that we get a sim option that submits the personal scores from the previous raid. Once you worked on teams to improve your scores, you can decide to do your 5 attempts instead.

I spend today 35 minutes to get good score with one team. Rng wasnt in my favour. I wont be doing this every week twice. Time to quit.

"BubbaFett;c-2423634" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-2423632" wrote:

"pinguinbooks;c-2423573" wrote:
The problem with this raid, is that we run it twice a weak and use the same teams over and over again.
It is even worse, if some teams rely on good rng and need a lot of attempts for a good score. I constantly get the 6.2m crate (in 5 battles), but it's starting to be really unfun.
It would be so great, if once cg 'fixed' the 5 attemps, that we get a sim option that submits the personal scores from the previous raid. Once you worked on teams to improve your scores, you can decide to do your 5 attempts instead.

I spend today 35 minutes to get good score with one team. Rng wasnt in my favour. I wont be doing this every week twice. Time to quit.

How can you logically complain that we get a week off from GAC because you have "nothing to do" then complain about something that takes you 35 minutes twice a week?

You must be new to forum, lol

"BubbaFett;c-2423633" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2423618" wrote:
246 characters and we are limited to 39 of them. Getting boring fast.

Realistically though, how many characters did you honestly use before?

HAAT and HPIT was on sim = 0
HSTR = Solo with SLKR, HUX, KRU = 3
Crancor = Spam your roster on auto = 0 actually used

But we did have options from our whole roster. Now we are limited to 39 and a few attacks. Getting old real quick. No way people will continue to enjoy this raid much longer.

"Ultra;c-2423539" wrote:

"Badger_Diaz;c-2423519" wrote:

"LinkyTriforce;c-2423492" wrote:




If you are getting less than before? Well there is a very high chance that you were being carried and earning more than you were entitled to.

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Care to explain that logic?

You could just join the raid and do nothing and let others clear the raid for you and you reap the rewards (See: CPit raid or guilds where people would merc Sith Raid for you)

We all get that but those are the ones getting more now. Those getting less were the ones doing all the work in hstr and cpit. I’ve been converted to not hating the rewards by just viewing it as a reset and not an expansion of rewards but it doesn’t change the fact that if you are getting less than before it’s more likely you were doing the caring and not being carried.

"BubbaFett;c-2423661" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2423657" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-2423633" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2423618" wrote:
246 characters and we are limited to 39 of them. Getting boring fast.

Realistically though, how many characters did you honestly use before?

HAAT and HPIT was on sim = 0
HSTR = Solo with SLKR, HUX, KRU = 3
Crancor = Spam your roster on auto = 0 actually used

But we did have options from our whole roster. Now we are limited to 39 and a few attacks. Getting old real quick. No way people will continue to enjoy this raid much longer.

Did anyone actually "enjoy" the raids before?.... Just personally speaking here, but this is heads and tails better than a 3 man solo and a roster puke in Crancor .... I mean, really, If you were soloing the HSTR with the 3 man SLKR did you find that "enjoyable" or did you use any of the other god knows how many characters you had at your disposal?

Again, don't get me wrong, I wish there was a raid character that would motivate us more and I wish there was more room to strategize and theorycraft, but we certainly weren't doing much of that prior to this raid coming along and hopefully there will be some new options coming down th pipeline as they said...

If looking at raids right before krayt you have a point, but to me at least; Sith raid stayed fun for a long time. The fact that we could solo it at its later life stage is because cg didn't bother to release new ones as power increased. But the raid itself was both fun and well designed.

The current raid got stale after first run when my shitty jawas beat it, and then for some reason I had to try beat it 4 more times with varying difficulty, what the rest of the guild did had zero baring on my experience. To me it feels more like a fancy dps calculator used to practice for a raid to be honest.

This raid would be fine, or even a great improvement, as a new take on galactic challenges. But as a raid it feels very hollow.

And have you looked at the price of ccb or bronzium wirings.

Not everything you can buy is a good deal. That has always been the case. (Have you complained about green and blue ability mats being in cantina shipments? or do you do what the rest of us do and just ignore them) There's going to be high and low value choices in every store. Learning the difference is part of how good players can separate themselves from bad ones. It sucks that these "bad player traps" exist, but it is what it is.



One of the key things that seems to not get due credit in any discussion of the rewards changes is the value of player choice. Being able to pick exactly what you need is a huge boon. Even if you *were* getting way more rewards before (and it seems by the various analyses shared above, this would only have been by always participating and getting top ranks), was it really better to be constantly pulling that digital slot machine lever hoping for the right salvage to drop? Potentially going 3 or 4 raids in a row getting utter trash? Or would you rather be able to immediately target and select the exact salvage that you want for your current needs?

Overall, they made many various levels of gearing massively easier with these changes. But they're not going to entirely remove all upgrade bottlenecks. If they did that, that would be removing one of the core foundations of the game (building up your toons) and very quickly we'd all have near maxed out rosters.

"E3P0;c-2423682" wrote:

And have you looked at the price of ccb or bronzium wirings.

Not everything you can buy is a good deal. That has always been the case. (Have you complained about green and blue ability mats being in cantina shipments? or do you do what the rest of us do and just ignore them) There's going to be high and low value choices in every store. Learning the difference is part of how good players can separate themselves from bad ones. It sucks that these "bad player traps" exist, but it is what it is.



One of the key things that seems to not get due credit in any discussion of the rewards changes is the value of player choice. Being able to pick exactly what you need is a huge boon. Even if you *were* getting way more rewards before (and it seems by the various analyses shared above, this would only have been by always participating and getting top ranks), was it really better to be constantly pulling that digital slot machine lever hoping for the right salvage to drop? Potentially going 3 or 4 raids in a row getting utter trash? Or would you rather be able to immediately target and select the exact salvage that you want for your current needs?

Overall, they made many various levels of gearing massively easier with these changes. But they're not going to entirely remove all upgrade bottlenecks. If they did that, that would be removing one of the core foundations of the game (building up your toons) and very quickly we'd all have near maxed out rosters.

A very well-reasoned post. Unfortunately we don't do that here, so you'll have to leave.

I'm one of those that had been getting top 10 in HSith for ages. Not because there's anything special about my roster but because a lot of my guild - well, the majority really - weren't bothered about it. Already finding the same thing for KD. People not bothering.

So I'm squeezed at both ends. I know that's an internal guild thing and I'm not blaming my officers. They do what they can.

Anyway just my experience of the changes up to this point.

"pinguinbooks;c-2423573" wrote:
The problem with this raid, is that we run it twice a weak and use the same teams over and over again.
It is even worse, if some teams rely on good rng and need a lot of attempts for a good score. I constantly get the 6.2m crate (in 5 battles), but it's starting to be really unfun.
It would be so great, if once cg 'fixed' the 5 attemps, that we get a sim option that submits the personal scores from the previous raid. Once you worked on teams to improve your scores, you can decide to do your 5 attempts instead.

One option I'd like is if it would save your score and you could use the same squad and then replace it if you get a better score. It is very frustrating to get a decent score which might not max out the level and then in subsequent attempts you can't even duplicate it.

I missed almost two years, return just before raid change hit and must say that new raid system is much, much better than old one in my opinion. Removing intra-guild competition and splitting rewards between guild and personal stacks instead is excellent solution. Setting not only per-player, but even per-team difficulty is excellent solution. Solving "solo the raid with specific squad" thing gives players more freedom in choosing which squad to develop instead of basically forcing to promote extremely specific squad setups. So as common player I don't see any real flaws in the current system.

Rewards, difficulty settings, boss abilities, squad requirements - this all can be tuned, and it's yet to be seen how good CG will be able to tune up Krait and future raids. But the system itself seems to be very, very promising.

Boring and repetitive now, someone say? Need to use only few teams every time? I beg you reconsider; I still remember time when you were required count to seven endless times, raid after raid after raid, or raid after raid make endless attempts to set up some crazy teams against the random. That was fun for the first few times but not for the following months/years of farm. And Krait definitely isn't worse. It's yet to be seen what we will see in the future though.