This thread isn't meant to cry or whine, I want to look at exactly why Rey has become a problem. Misconceptions1. The common thing I hear about her is that she's easy to kill so she's allowed to do massive damage.2. Teams are viable without having Rey at high level play.3. One shots are thing of the pastRealities1. All attackers are squishy. While Rey has some of the least HP of all attackers, she's actually one of the most durable with multiple ways to gain foresight and blazing speed. A little more HP doesn't make you durable in this game... dodging full attacks from other attackers does. 2. 49/50 teams in the top 50 of arena use Rey, because she makes other attackers look like crap. This is even worse in raids, where you can SEE her damage output reported to you at the end of the fights, so you can tell just how much better she is than other attackers. (which is usually 2-3x better).3. Today a G10 Rey with offense up used flurry of blows to one-shot my G10 QGJ with full health and full protection. Rey is the only character in the game capable of doing this, and the idea behind the protection patch was to eliminate this kind of behaviour. Advantages of a nerf1. Potential attacker diversity. Maybe some other attackers might see the light of day once Rey isn't twice as good as they are. Maybe. For example, gear 10/11 Luke is actually decent. Problem is, compared to Rey he's still a steaming pile of you know what.2. No more one-shots. Seriously, can't stress how important this is.Bitter realities of a nerf1. Suddenly, raids just became a lot harder for those who don't have massive rosters. Rey literally carries people through pig phases on T6/7. 2. A lot of people invested a lot into Rey because for some reason, her damage was left this way after the protection patch. It should have been fairly obvious how this would turn out given how Rey was pre-patch.3. The realization that this game's balance is really bad, and without the damage that Rey can output, attackers will be left in the dust by tankier and more utility based champions.EDIT: To stop the naysayers, I have a G10 Rey as well. I want her nerfed because I understand how it is affecting the game, not because I got owned by her. The example I gave above with my QGJ was just a great illustrative example of what's wrong with her.

"RU486;434253" wrote:"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:3. Today a G10 Rey with offense up used flurry of blows to one-shot my G10 QGJ with full health and full protection.This is why you made this thread, you got beat up by her.She is available to EVERYONE now and easy to get, feel free to get her and upgrade your teamYes everyone get rey. It's alot easier for them to keep the game running when everyone is using the same characters. She is perfectly balanced because she is farmable. Great argument

"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:1. All attackers are squishy. While Rey has some of the least HP of all attackers, she's actually one of the most durable with multiple ways to gain foresight and blazing speed. A little more HP doesn't make you durable in this game... dodging full attacks from other attackers does. Darth Vader, Luminara, and Kylo Ren are attackers that are not squishy.She has multiple ways of dodging, but you have ways of removing it without wasting a turn--namely, AoE. Also eating buffs with Ventress or similar, but that's basically AoE of another stripe.You have the luxury of seeing your opponent's roster before you pick the battle. You have the ability to tailor your team to counter their team. You have a dozen characters at your disposal, use them. You keep throwing rock at your opponent's paper, and then calling for balance when you could just throw scissors.

"RU486;434253" wrote:"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:3. Today a G10 Rey with offense up used flurry of blows to one-shot my G10 QGJ with full health and full protection.This is why you made this thread, you got beat up by her.She is available to EVERYONE now and easy to get, feel free to get her and upgrade your teamIf you say so. I have a G10 Rey as well.

"NicWester;434315" wrote:"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:1. All attackers are squishy. While Rey has some of the least HP of all attackers, she's actually one of the most durable with multiple ways to gain foresight and blazing speed. A little more HP doesn't make you durable in this game... dodging full attacks from other attackers does. Darth Vader, Luminara, and Kylo Ren are attackers that are not squishy.She has multiple ways of dodging, but you have ways of removing it without wasting a turn--namely, AoE. Also eating buffs with Ventress or similar, but that's basically AoE of another stripe.You have the luxury of seeing your opponent's roster before you pick the battle. You have the ability to tailor your team to counter their team. You have a dozen characters at your disposal, use them. You keep throwing rock at your opponent's paper, and then calling for balance when you could just throw scissors.This argument ignores everything I mentioned. Obviously there are ways to beat her - that doesn't mean she isn't stronger than every other attacker by a wide margin.Also realize that most players don't have a dozen characters at their disposal that are arena ready. The gear / leveling requirements in this game are steep.

Nerf Rey. Don't nerf Rey. The game will still be just as boring and pointless. And we'll still play it.

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godgiven45
9 years ago
"RU486;434253" wrote:
"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:

3. Today a G10 Rey with offense up used flurry of blows to one-shot my G10 QGJ with full health and full protection.
This is why you made this thread, you got beat up by her.

She is available to EVERYONE now and easy to get, feel free to get her and upgrade your team

Yes everyone get rey. It's alot easier for them to keep the game running when everyone is using the same characters. She is perfectly balanced because she is farmable. Great argument
NicWester
9 years ago
"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:
1. All attackers are squishy. While Rey has some of the least HP of all attackers, she's actually one of the most durable with multiple ways to gain foresight and blazing speed. A little more HP doesn't make you durable in this game... dodging full attacks from other attackers does.

Darth Vader, Luminara, and Kylo Ren are attackers that are not squishy.

She has multiple ways of dodging, but you have ways of removing it without wasting a turn--namely, AoE. Also eating buffs with Ventress or similar, but that's basically AoE of another stripe.

You have the luxury of seeing your opponent's roster before you pick the battle. You have the ability to tailor your team to counter their team. You have a dozen characters at your disposal, use them. You keep throwing rock at your opponent's paper, and then calling for balance when you could just throw scissors.
Swartzkov
9 years ago
"RU486;434253" wrote:
"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:

3. Today a G10 Rey with offense up used flurry of blows to one-shot my G10 QGJ with full health and full protection.
This is why you made this thread, you got beat up by her.

She is available to EVERYONE now and easy to get, feel free to get her and upgrade your team

If you say so. I have a G10 Rey as well.
Swartzkov
9 years ago
"NicWester;434315" wrote:
"Swartzkov;42596" wrote:
1. All attackers are squishy. While Rey has some of the least HP of all attackers, she's actually one of the most durable with multiple ways to gain foresight and blazing speed. A little more HP doesn't make you durable in this game... dodging full attacks from other attackers does.

Darth Vader, Luminara, and Kylo Ren are attackers that are not squishy.

She has multiple ways of dodging, but you have ways of removing it without wasting a turn--namely, AoE. Also eating buffs with Ventress or similar, but that's basically AoE of another stripe.

You have the luxury of seeing your opponent's roster before you pick the battle. You have the ability to tailor your team to counter their team. You have a dozen characters at your disposal, use them. You keep throwing rock at your opponent's paper, and then calling for balance when you could just throw scissors.

This argument ignores everything I mentioned. Obviously there are ways to beat her - that doesn't mean she isn't stronger than every other attacker by a wide margin.

Also realize that most players don't have a dozen characters at their disposal that are arena ready. The gear / leveling requirements in this game are steep.
KeLe227
9 years ago
Nerf Rey. Don't nerf Rey. The game will still be just as boring and pointless. And we'll still play it.
NicWester
9 years ago
"Swartzkov;434332" wrote:
This argument ignores everything I mentioned. Obviously there are ways to beat her - that doesn't mean she isn't stronger than every other attacker by a wide margin.

Also realize that most players don't have a dozen characters at their disposal that are arena ready. The gear / leveling requirements in this game are steep.

I ignored the rest of what you said because your first premise is wrong.

You're basing your criticism on the fact that attackers are supposed to be squishy, but those three characters (and Savage Opress and the Nightsister Initiate, who I forgot because I don't have them) are attackers who aren't squishy. If there are attackers who aren't squishy due to HP, protection, armor, and/or defense up, why can't there be one who has low hp but some form of dodge like foresight?

Rey is a high risk, high reward character. You get one good hit in for sure, probably a second, but a competnent player can absorb the first hit and kill her before the second.

The constant problem with criticisms of Rey is that the premises they're based on are in a vacuum--her compared to any single other character. This game is not one-on-one fights. This game is 5-on-5. You get to form a team, too.
NinjaMime
9 years ago
I agree that there is a problem here, but it may not comepletly be how strong her attacks are. You were on the right track talking about her evasion.

I mentioned this in the dodge Megathread, that dooku also needs a change but the character isn't the issue its the combat mechanics. Synergies with dodge guaranteeing her to get offence up at the start and when it's not even her turn, resulting in a oh shit I just killed myself.

I love this game which is why I want it to get better. The power of each character should be unique and make the player feel as such but we need to attack the real issue instead of breaking the game even further. With that said, I believe one way to do this would be to consider her overall feel as a character.

-She shouldn't have godlike S++ damage untill at least 3-4 turns later.

-Her abilities sound momentum and leverage based, so maybe make it feel that way by making her ramp up a bit slower.

-If she isn't dealt with or constantly debuffed, she becomes the monster that we all know her to be now. Thoughts?
Swartzkov
9 years ago
"NicWester;434465" wrote:
"Swartzkov;434332" wrote:
This argument ignores everything I mentioned. Obviously there are ways to beat her - that doesn't mean she isn't stronger than every other attacker by a wide margin.

Also realize that most players don't have a dozen characters at their disposal that are arena ready. The gear / leveling requirements in this game are steep.

I ignored the rest of what you said because your first premise is wrong.

You're basing your criticism on the fact that attackers are supposed to be squishy, but those three characters (and Savage Opress and the Nightsister Initiate, who I forgot because I don't have them) are attackers who aren't squishy. If there are attackers who aren't squishy due to HP, protection, armor, and/or defense up, why can't there be one who has low hp but some form of dodge like foresight?

Rey is a high risk, high reward character. You get one good hit in for sure, probably a second, but a competnent player can absorb the first hit and kill her before the second.

The constant problem with criticisms of Rey is that the premises they're based on are in a vacuum--her compared to any single other character. This game is not one-on-one fights. This game is 5-on-5. You get to form a team, too.

Tanky attackers aren't even comparable. They don't even do near the same amount of damage. Tanky attackers shouldn't even be classified as attackers, because they are worlds different.

Your arguments also ignore all of mine in favor of just saying it's a team thing. Just because it's a team thing doesn't mean that Rey isn't overtuned. She outdamages all squishy attackers by a LARGE margin. You can't ignore this, it's not balanced. Rey being this way means that all other squishy attackers are basically worthless. There's no reason to use them over Rey ever.
DarthxJay
9 years ago
"Winters;434671" wrote:

The developers out right said faster characters were getting a damage nerf and slower characters were getting a damage buff.

But that didn't happen on any level, they promised something and didn't deliver. If they did then Savage Oppress would be a frickin' animal in arena and this thread would be about him instead of Rey.

I've played a lot of WoW PVP and COD PVP and I've never seen a PVP game that was 100% balanced. There's always some class or weapon or something that is slightly better than the rest. Rey is not the only strong attacker. I can routinely hit anywhere from 10k to 15k with g10 Leia. A guildmate has g11 FOTP and that dude puts up 10k double taps regularly and his second ability is just sick too. Rex against a high HP target hits pretty hard with that bonus damage modifier he has. A couple of the best arena squads I've seen do not include Rey at all, so she's not everywhere. On my shard alone only a couple top-10 squads use Rey, still see more Dooku leads than Rey. I think I see more Leia than anything because her Stealth ability is so good and does comparable damage to Rey.

Yes QGJ can get 1-shotted with Rey if she has offense up, but part of the problem is he so darn hard to gear-up that most QGJ's you run across will be squishy.

I don't think that the issue is with Rey as much as it is that they didn't scale other DPS characters very well with the survivability levels of gear 10 and gear 11. They really just need to buff other characters and bring them up to speed. They're "re-working" certain characters so maybe we'll see some improvements.
Dranninn
9 years ago
Rey isn't bad at all. Mine is gear 9 and I fight gear 10 regards all the time.

What makes Rey a problem is RG protecting her ( exactly what a tank should do I might add. ). Rey I can easily kill in 3 hits. No other toon can be killed that easy, this keeps her from getting a 2nd turn. If you can't kill her before RG taunts, then use a stun. Problem solved ( as long as you can remove the taunt.

Also something most forget due to her high dmg, use a debuff or dot. He dmg is no where near as bad.

Yes she get foresight. That's great. Leia can remove this, and still shoot afterwords. Dooku can remove this and still have another attack on her that hits.

Also will add another thing to remember. She has poor accuracy ( so does Leia but this isn't about her ). She misses about as much as she hits now. Either that or I have the world's worst RNG when using her.

Also 5s will destroy her. Actually just about any high health counter toon will. That is her counter.