Tenacity Up = Debuff Immunity??

"ZetaShooter88;d-123478" wrote:
This is messed up BIG TIME. This has got to be broken. How does tenacity up block all Debuffs. I made my dooku have over 100% percent potency and still can't land a single Debuff. Makes no sense. If it's Debuff immunity then call it that. Even with a rebel team with potency up you can't land a Debuff. How you are you supposed to run a sith empire team that relies on Debuffs. It's messed up and frustrating. I'm facing all these triple cleanse teams in arena and GW and it making me hate this game.

Its just a game mechanic. If you're having a hard time against teams that use it, figure out a new team or strategy instead of calling the game "bad".

The reason it may not be called debuff immunity is because it's too long of a term. Also, tenacity stats outside of tenacity up are fairly close to useless. A toon with 100% tenacity will still get debuffed without tenacity up. And one more thing, tenacity up can be flipped to tenacity down although tenacity down does not guarantee you'll land your next debuff, even if it's Vader's ability block on a Jedi (which is not supposed to be resisted). Fun, right?

Just gotta get around it. B2, DN, Baze, etc.

"Olga;c-1193902" wrote:
Essentially yes. Maybe I'm the only person in the world who has ever landed a debuff against an opponent with the buff, but I can guarantee it's possible. Just extremely unlikely.
There are a few counters though. The first and most obvious counter is to be faster than their buffer and lock them down before they can activate the buff. Alternatively, you can dispell the buff or else you can just wait it out. I'm not sure if buff immunity works against it as, in my experience, most tenacity buffers seem to dispell debuffs before applying the buff anyway.

If you landed a debuff against someone with tenacity up, then you hit them with tenacity down first or used an irresistible ability.

"ob1skywalker;c-1193901" wrote:
To be fair, tenacity up should be renamed debuff immunity or they should change the ability, it is quite frustrating. It should work more like evasion up. An increase to resist not be immune

why? Tenacity up is no where near as good as 100% evasion for an x amount of turns would be. Something could be said about implementing a base apply chance (just like there is a base resist chance), but having tenacity up work more like evasion up would totally suck and make it nearly useless.
imo debuffs are already better than tenacity up, so i see no reason why tenacity up should be nerfed.

"leef;c-1193939" wrote:

"ob1skywalker;c-1193901" wrote:
To be fair, tenacity up should be renamed debuff immunity or they should change the ability, it is quite frustrating. It should work more like evasion up. An increase to resist not be immune

why? Tenacity up is no where near as good as 100% evasion for an x amount of turns would be. Something could be said about implementing a base apply chance (just like there is a base resist chance), but having tenacity up work more like evasion up would totally suck and make it nearly useless.
imo debuffs are already better than tenacity up, so i see no reason why tenacity up should be nerfed.

What he said was it should work like evasion up or any other buff. It's not Debuff immunity it's tenacity up and it's broken

"ZetaShooter88;c-1194340" wrote:

"leef;c-1193939" wrote:

"ob1skywalker;c-1193901" wrote:
To be fair, tenacity up should be renamed debuff immunity or they should change the ability, it is quite frustrating. It should work more like evasion up. An increase to resist not be immune

why? Tenacity up is no where near as good as 100% evasion for an x amount of turns would be. Something could be said about implementing a base apply chance (just like there is a base resist chance), but having tenacity up work more like evasion up would totally suck and make it nearly useless.
imo debuffs are already better than tenacity up, so i see no reason why tenacity up should be nerfed.

What he said was it should work like evasion up or any other buff. It's not Debuff immunity it's tenacity up and it's broken

What gave you the impression that i don't know what he said? I asked why he thinks it should and explained why i think it shouldn't.
If it's just about the name you're having troubles with then they should just change the name, not the mechanic. Tenacity down could be called debuff vulnerability. I personally don't think it really matters what it's called as long as we know what it does and that it is WAI, wich we do.

Except you can't call it debuff vulnerability because there's always a 15% base resist chance.

It should be reworked to assure 15% chance to apply debuff, mirroring the tenacity down that always leaves the aforementioned percenteage to resist.