Terrotory Wars Mis-Match

"haysswa1;c-1393369" wrote:
Anybody who believes the matchups are anywhere near even must be in a guild where all guildies have 20 maxed out squads to use. My guild has been smoked in all 3 tw. Its not due to planning or lack of participants. Its due to the fact our depth pool is clearly outclassed by the enemy. My guild only has 8 cls, zero gk. But is close to 80mil gp. I'm at 2.1mil, but my roster is garbage. I might have 3 decent squads to throw together. Someone with that same points may have 10 maxed squads and there's nothing I can do about the quality of squads we've been matched against. So you can say you think it's fair or even. I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale

Heh. TW is the replacement for a real GW, and, lo and behold, the complaints are basically identical.

Not complaining just stating the facts. Just because I'm 6'4" 300 doesn't mean I'm stronger or faster than a 5'6" 185. It just means I'm fatter lol

"haysswa1;c-1393369" wrote:
Anybody who believes the matchups are anywhere near even must be in a guild where all guildies have 20 maxed out squads to use. My guild has been smoked in all 3 tw. Its not due to planning or lack of participants. Its due to the fact our depth pool is clearly outclassed by the enemy. My guild only has 8 cls, zero gk. But is close to 80mil gp. I'm at 2.1mil, but my roster is garbage. I might have 3 decent squads to throw together. Someone with that same points may have 10 maxed squads and there's nothing I can do about the quality of squads we've been matched against. So you can say you think it's fair or even. I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale

My guild has 0 CLS, and 0 GK. We also don't have that deep of rosters, but I am not complaining.

"Vorgen;c-1391298" wrote:
What was the max number of defense units you could assign in each area? If it was less than 25, it means not all or your guild members signed up for tw. And if it’s around 20-21, then quite a few didn’t sign up which could bring their active gp down to <80mil and hence in your gp bracket and a possible opponent for you. If you are at full strength then you could be 25 vs 20-21 which could be ad or disadvantage depending on who sat out on their end.

I'm not 100% sure how the number if defense units is determined. My guild locked in at 50 and yet we can only deploy 23. So, either they determine that because the other guild sent 46, or, they sent 42 (the sum of both guilds ÷ 4) the latter seems to be more correct as the guild we are facing would've had to drop 10.5mil go to get it our bracket. That being said I feel we shouldn't be at a disadvantage because the other guild sent less. We should have 25 defenses and them 21 or 23, depending on which figures are correct. If guilds want to sandbag them make them pay. If the 21 is correct then that would put them in the hole a bit. 1st it would allow us to gain an additional 800 banners for more defenses set and 2nd it would cost them 40 squads to clear our defenses. I don't like that we have to suffer for their greed. And loose without even a chance to actually win.

"Shanara68;c-1393445" wrote:

"Vorgen;c-1391298" wrote:
What was the max number of defense units you could assign in each area? If it was less than 25, it means not all or your guild members signed up for tw. And if it’s around 20-21, then quite a few didn’t sign up which could bring their active gp down to <80mil and hence in your gp bracket and a possible opponent for you. If you are at full strength then you could be 25 vs 20-21 which could be ad or disadvantage depending on who sat out on their end.

I'm not 100% sure how the number if defense units is determined. My guild locked in at 50 and yet we can only deploy 23. So, either they determine that because the other guild sent 46, or, they sent 42 (the sum of both guilds ÷ 4) the latter seems to be more correct as the guild we are facing would've had to drop 10.5mil go to get it our bracket. That being said I feel we shouldn't be at a disadvantage because the other guild sent less. We should have 25 defenses and them 21 or 23, depending on which figures are correct. If guilds want to sandbag them make them pay. If the 21 is correct then that would put them in the hole a bit. 1st it would allow us to gain an additional 800 banners for more defenses set and 2nd it would cost them 40 squads to clear our defenses. I don't like that we have to suffer for their greed. And loose without even a chance to actually win.

You have a point, because in a situation of many squads vs. less better squads, the less better squads will always win because the more squads can't set all of them on defense. I understand why they made it like this, but it can make it hard for small guilds with deep rosters

"haysswa1;c-1393369" wrote:
Anybody who believes the matchups are anywhere near even must be in a guild where all guildies have 20 maxed out squads to use. My guild has been smoked in all 3 tw. Its not due to planning or lack of participants. Its due to the fact our depth pool is clearly outclassed by the enemy. My guild only has 8 cls, zero gk. But is close to 80mil gp. I'm at 2.1mil, but my roster is garbage. I might have 3 decent squads to throw together. Someone with that same points may have 10 maxed squads and there's nothing I can do about the quality of squads we've been matched against. So you can say you think it's fair or even. I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale

This.

Matchmaking needs to be based only on the gp of g9+ toons (ie the ones we've made combat effective). Tb forced us to bloat our rosters and gp with trash and even if a toon doesn't meet the 6k power threshold to be used it still counts for TW matchmaking. Matchmaking needs to better account for what % of the roster is made up of 7* trash you farmed for TB platoons and what % are the ones you can actually use in TW.

That would also prevent gaming the system to get matched up against guilds with similar gp on paper but with significantly less of that gp being made up of combat ready toons.

Not saying I-told-you-so, but ... oh wait, yes I am.
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/144104/lets-talk-about-gvg-territory-war-matchmaking

Pitchforks and torches are coming out.
https://i.imgur.com/9aK8WQC.gif

"Captain_Apollo;c-1394579" wrote:

"haysswa1;c-1393369" wrote:
Anybody who believes the matchups are anywhere near even must be in a guild where all guildies have 20 maxed out squads to use. My guild has been smoked in all 3 tw. Its not due to planning or lack of participants. Its due to the fact our depth pool is clearly outclassed by the enemy. My guild only has 8 cls, zero gk. But is close to 80mil gp. I'm at 2.1mil, but my roster is garbage. I might have 3 decent squads to throw together. Someone with that same points may have 10 maxed squads and there's nothing I can do about the quality of squads we've been matched against. So you can say you think it's fair or even. I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale

This.

Matchmaking needs to be based only on the gp of g9+ toons (ie the ones we've made combat effective). Tb forced us to bloat our rosters and gp with trash and even if a toon doesn't meet the 6k power threshold to be used it still counts for TW matchmaking. Matchmaking needs to better account for what % of the roster is made up of 7* trash you farmed for TB platoons and what % are the ones you can actually use in TW.

That would also prevent gaming the system to get matched up against guilds with similar gp on paper but with significantly less of that gp being made up of combat ready toons.

Yeah - someone had made a point from THE BEGINNING (sorry dude who did this, I don't remember thine name). If guild A has 20 12000 toons each player and guild b has 40 6000 toons each (and, clearly this delineation is never the case, it's just to showcase the point) these guilds have even GP - exactly even GP. But we KNOW from endless experience that the 6000 gp toons don't have a chance against the 12000 gp toons.
And never will.
Some guys are collectors. Some people went all in on TB/farmed for platoons... because it came first (and it's clear maybe TW should have come first... no?) some people messed up a lot and have a trail of toons that got over 6000 but were abandoned. In mid to low GP guilds - these people are their guilds.
So the mid and lower level guilds are messed up and the gigher GP guilds are all getting Ties. Seems legit.
TL:DR; Equal GP really doesn't mean equally capable in TW. Plus, these guild with bloated GP have no way to fix it.... which, ultimately, the biggest issue.

"PremierVenoth;c-1394614" wrote:

"Captain_Apollo;c-1394579" wrote:

"haysswa1;c-1393369" wrote:
Anybody who believes the matchups are anywhere near even must be in a guild where all guildies have 20 maxed out squads to use. My guild has been smoked in all 3 tw. Its not due to planning or lack of participants. Its due to the fact our depth pool is clearly outclassed by the enemy. My guild only has 8 cls, zero gk. But is close to 80mil gp. I'm at 2.1mil, but my roster is garbage. I might have 3 decent squads to throw together. Someone with that same points may have 10 maxed squads and there's nothing I can do about the quality of squads we've been matched against. So you can say you think it's fair or even. I've got some beachfront property in Arizona for sale

This.

Matchmaking needs to be based only on the gp of g9+ toons (ie the ones we've made combat effective). Tb forced us to bloat our rosters and gp with trash and even if a toon doesn't meet the 6k power threshold to be used it still counts for TW matchmaking. Matchmaking needs to better account for what % of the roster is made up of 7* trash you farmed for TB platoons and what % are the ones you can actually use in TW.

That would also prevent gaming the system to get matched up against guilds with similar gp on paper but with significantly less of that gp being made up of combat ready toons.

Yeah - someone had made a point from THE BEGINNING (sorry dude who did this, I don't remember thine name). If guild A has 20 12000 toons each player and guild b has 40 6000 toons each (and, clearly this delineation is never the case, it's just to showcase the point) these guilds have even GP - exactly even GP. But we KNOW from endless experience that the 6000 gp toons don't have a chance against the 12000 gp toons.
And never will.
Some guys are collectors. Some people went all in on TB/farmed for platoons... because it came first (and it's clear maybe TW should have come first... no?) some people messed up a lot and have a trail of toons that got over 6000 but were abandoned. In mid to low GP guilds - these people are their guilds.
So the mid and lower level guilds are messed up and the gigher GP guilds are all getting Ties. Seems legit.
TL:DR; Equal GP really doesn't mean equally capable in TW. Plus, these guild with bloated GP have no way to fix it.... which, ultimately, the biggest issue.

LOL, that was me. See post right above yours. heh

TB rewards roster depth with high GP totals and platoons being needed for success. TW rewards peak roster power, with highly geared and well-modded synergies needed for success. These are two dichotomous tests of a guild’s collective roster and I feel like both can be fair ways to assess a guild’s total effectiveness.