The Biggs/Wedge combo is reducing variety in the game

"Dressy;826804" wrote:

"xanderxman;826780" wrote:
Shoretrooper is the answer to the Wiggs meta. If you have ever faced a Palps lead Vader TFP Shoretrooper plus one team in arena then your Wiggs team probably didn't hold up. I'm on a December 15 shard and Empire is tough against Wiggs. They are not the only team that can take first. Just the easiest to access.

I've considered ST too, but his p2p :-(

You could've easily obtained him from 2 tournaments so no he's not P2P.
Wiggs is far from a problem, Empire squads neuter them with ease.

"tRRRey;826931" wrote:

"Dressy;826804" wrote:

"xanderxman;826780" wrote:
Shoretrooper is the answer to the Wiggs meta. If you have ever faced a Palps lead Vader TFP Shoretrooper plus one team in arena then your Wiggs team probably didn't hold up. I'm on a December 15 shard and Empire is tough against Wiggs. They are not the only team that can take first. Just the easiest to access.

I've considered ST too, but his p2p :-(

You could've easily obtained him from 2 tournaments so no he's not P2P.
Wiggs is far from a problem, Empire squads neuter them with ease.

First tourney was P2P essentially with crystal refreshes, but the exploits could ruin someone's chances. 2nd was better than the first, but tournament characters aren't really FTP, and if someone is even 10 or 5 shards away from unlocking, the only path is chromiums. If he truly was FTP, wiggs would be completely dead and shoretrooper would easily dominate the meta, but most simply don't have him

Right now wiggs/chaze and then someone like kenobi or EP, is probly the best team out there. I don't think they are going away any time soon because they are rebels and their dps is out of control

"bluecat;826753" wrote:
Then nerf the next meta, and then next, and so on. Tbf Arena is just one part of the game, there's alot more to it that requires more than one team...

Wiggs alone doesn't get it all done alone any more, like no two chars get it done against any team. They are not 'meta' as two characters. It's just that they are overpowered and should be nerfed.

"Dressy;826764" wrote:
Notice I said rebalance or adjust other characters? Games survive when they have variety and there are actually alternative and competitive options to consider.

Pretty much. Everyone is so used to them at this point I think they don't know how to play without them any more. I'm not expecting them to go anywhere or be nerfed so I guess shoretroopers going nowhere soon....

"ARCTrooperFives;826777" wrote:
If you don't have shoretrooper simply fight fire with fire, they are an endgame combo that should be great

Chaze on the other hand...

They should suck in arena

"tRRRey;826931" wrote:

"Dressy;826804" wrote:

"xanderxman;826780" wrote:
Shoretrooper is the answer to the Wiggs meta. If you have ever faced a Palps lead Vader TFP Shoretrooper plus one team in arena then your Wiggs team probably didn't hold up. I'm on a December 15 shard and Empire is tough against Wiggs. They are not the only team that can take first. Just the easiest to access.

I've considered ST too, but his p2p :-(

You could've easily obtained him from 2 tournaments so no he's not P2P.
Wiggs is far from a problem, Empire squads neuter them with ease.

When people say empire neuters wiggs, wiggs are only two characters. There are a whole three other characters that can make it impossible to deal with them in time. A 5 man empire team vs just wiggs, ok, just shock Biggs or kill wedge, you're done. Put them with chirrut and baze, and 1 other like kenobi/EP, and empire teams fall short, wiggs will do crazy damage.

On the contrary, empire is weak against wiggs because of biggs' unique. While others are managing to protect him, all the empire special AOEs are pulling him up with his short cooldown, while you can't target him, and he is smashing away at a rate no other attackers are even halfway to matching.

The problem isn't that they can be protected, you can protect anyone, it's that their damage output is wildly unbalanced in comparison to all other dps, that's why shoretrooper was needed in the first place, and that's why theyre in every team.

All that unbalanced damage, and given to two random pilots I haven't even heard of, so annoying

My arena shard is overcrowded with wiggs, but for me that's a GOOD thing. I run an empire team with Shore, and can absolutely crush wiggs teams on offense. Wiggs OHKO is forced onto shore, who is so tanky even at 3* that they only get rid of his protection, although that isn't the point. The point is all my debuffers (TFP, EP, Vader) now gets turns where they can throw down all their debuffs (shock on Biggs most important), allowing me to then evaporate wiggs quickly. Sometimes I win without even losing my Shore.

If you have an auto taunter, wiggs is a joke. If you don't... well idk what you have been doing for the last months, better go get your own wiggs and fight fire with fire.

While Biggs was nothing, Wedge was really important in the movies. He took down the second Death Star along with lando. Not everything in this game is based on lore strictly, otherwise Darth Sidious would kill literally everyone. However wedge does deserve recognition because he we probably the best rebel pilot outside Han and like

And they won't be nerfed because people have put way too much into them. It's far to late for a nerf now

@Ky10Ren wait til you see some harder combinations where you can't touch them, and their OPness is still very much on display.

You can protect anyone, it comes down to the fact that their dps is monstrous, and I would say Biggs' unique is a cherry on top, but it's just so huge, it's an insane ability for anyone to have, it's like having two biggs in there. It instantly reloads the most OP attack. For anyone to have that unique, they'd have to have a kinda bad/niche kit, to balance the fact they will go the whole time. Let alone the most OP attack you'll find

Daze isn't really a factor right now. There's no way to daze him early, if at all right now, and if in the right setup, even if you could daze him early, current teams cleanse and taunt too much for it to matter.

They are just pure but

"ARCTrooperFives;826943" wrote:
While Biggs was nothing, Wedge was really important in the movies. He took down the second Death Star along with lando. Not everything in this game is based on lore strictly, otherwise Darth Sidious would kill literally everyone. However wedge does deserve recognition because he we probably the best rebel pilot outside Han and like

And they won't be nerfed because people have put way too much into them. It's far to late for a nerf now

I'd argue Wedge was a better pilot than Han, though obviously not as good as Luke. Han was a smuggler; he avoided combat whenever he could, chose stealth options. He had a fast ship that enabled him to accomplish certain feats (Kessel run in 12 parsecs being chief among them), and he certainly had skill as a pilot. However, Wedge did a lot more as a Rogue Squadron pilot (yes, this is pulling from pre-Disney EU but I feel like it's still valid, given he's Rogue leader in episode 6 and Rogue Squadron was the most elite squadron in the Rebellion and arguably the galaxy). He flew combat missions, was one of the only (if not the only? not sure here) snubfighter pilot to survive both Death Star runs, and in the EU led Rogue Squadron on more than enough missions (while surviving) to qualify as a better pilot than Han.

I love Han Solo, I really do. But Wedge Antilles was a better pilot than Han Solo.

"ARCTrooperFives;826943" wrote:
While Biggs was nothing, Wedge was really important in the movies. He took down the second Death Star along with lando. Not everything in this game is based on lore strictly, otherwise Darth Sidious would kill literally everyone. However wedge does deserve recognition because he we probably the best rebel pilot outside Han and like

And they won't be nerfed because people have put way too much into them. It's far to late for a nerf now

Indeed they won't be, I cry.

That's why he should be a bomb pilot, which he is, but to have them smashing fools in arena and dealing multiple times more damage than all others in a battle is just wrong and honestly pretty weird. I don't think it should be happening in this game.

To have biggs and wedge overpowered for DPS in comparison to everyone else, and to the extent they are overpowered, is a little ridiculous for the game. It has made me wonder, along with other things, if the Devs really know what they're doing and where they are taking the game.

Forgetting OP damage, and just taking the characters themselves and how I feel about them as characters, I probably wouldn't have minded them being fairly prevalent at some point even though I think arena is not their place. I'd have disliked them being rampant in arena at some point. But to have them be in every team I face five times a day for the last three months or whatever, I'm just fed up now

Lol

I think they will still be very prevalent at the least, if not optimal, for a while

Read my previous comments

Wiggs is not a team, neither is Rex+sun fac or chirrut+baze. Any team can be dominated if you're talking 2v5.

Just because your wiggs team sucks (no offence) doesn't mean there aren't better comps for them. Put them together with chirrut and baze and I guarantee you will take top spot when you see fit. Alternatively I'm guessing you could probly look at the top of your shard. Wiggs are just OP damage