The Biggs/Wedge combo is reducing variety in the game

Wiggs is not what's OP, it's Chaze. Wiggs teams get destroyed by Empire, Rex, and sometimes Droids. However, you can run a team that consists only of Chirrut and Baze and get 1st in arena lol.

If you think you're upset now, wait til Chirrut Imwe and Baze Malbus hit your shard.

And you can run a chaze team without wiggs and get smashed by empire. Im yet to be troubled by any team with chaze without wiggs although they do mostly come together.

Or you can run them together, and smash anyone. Chaze+1 just protects them and allows for OP wiggs to go haam. Chaze will provide more utility and wiggs will do more damage, you can't get close to wiggs for taking out teams in a couple rounds. I can handle chaze with empire easily, I can't handle wiggs taking everyone out in the time I need to deal with chaze.

That's why I say they are just OP damage, that's what it comes down to. The only discernible disadvantage is that they come as a pair, which means you can put three other guys that fit a strategy if you don't put them in. But as of right now I cant see anyone taking their place vs all the current teams.

There is no 'wiggs' teams or 'chaze' teams. Wiggs is just two characters. You put them in a team with others. They can go better with certain guys, certainly chaze. High on my shard, one guy has boba lead with them and others you wouldn't expect. One has rex and one has EP lead. The majority of wiggs have chaze, they all have baze. A 'wiggs team' is also a 'chaze team' and vice versa. I don't think you will find any better setup right now.

As for being annoyed by them, Chaze are new from the movie, cool characters, and have had very little time in the sun. I can't be mad at them. I actually find them fun to fight as of right now. On the other hand, wiggs have been overpowered for months, been doing the same old thing, getting twice the attacks of any other attackers, dealing multiple times the damage of anyone else, for months. They ruined any arena strategy whatsoever with one shots for a month. They forced shoretrooper to come just to stop any character being oneshot, and still force his presence. I'm just fed up with them now. I believe you guys aren't because they are part of the definition of the game for you now. Idk if you understand the game without them. No offence.

They are the only one-shotters in the game, and Biggs goes at twice, three times the rate of everyone other attacker, with no cooldown. Particularly if you're talking empire opposition. They're just OP damage, that's all they are.

"AlexB;826970" wrote:

"Cardiff0;826962" wrote:
Read my previous comments

Wiggs is not a team, neither is Rex+sun fac or chirrut+baze. Any team can be dominated if you're talking 2v5.

Just because your wiggs team sucks (no offence) doesn't mean there aren't better comps for them. Put them together with chirrut and baze and I guarantee you will take top spot when you see fit. Alternatively I'm guessing you could probly look at the top of your shard. Wiggs are just OP damage

There is one Wiggs only in my server top 10. Wiggs was OP for a while, now there are other toons and comps more OP than Wiggs.
And my Wiggs team was awesome, ranked 1 everyday. Then it wasn't anymore.
But I agree that the game is not balanced, many toons are useless. I'm more concerned about the rogue one toons, way more OP than Wiggs.

Honestly, I find that hard to believe if your shard is using chirrut and baze.

Wiggs isn't a comp or a team, they're just two OP guys you can put in with other OP guys, optimally chaze+1 right now, to make super OP teams. That's why your wiggs team isn't very good any more, you don't have a good enough setup to combat the stuff that has come out. If you did, you could continue abusing the most OP attack swgoh has.

And at that, they are OP guys who are nobodies, who should be pilots, who have been far too prevalent (not to mention initially game breaking) for far too long.

There is no need to rebalance, they are fine how they are. On other notes, Zeta Barris is the answer to your problem. ¿You don't have Zeta Barris or there are not enough at your shard to Influence the meta on another direction? Then give the shards, time to to grow up on Zeta side and join them with Barris or the Zeta of your preference.

The nice thing about Wiggs teams before omega'd Red Leader is they are easy to beat with some decent mods.

I'm level 79 and most of the top 50 Wiggs teams have started maxing Red Leader which makes my job that much harder. I can still beat them, but it is much more RNG dependent.

I run:

Boba (L) G8 7*
STHan G8 7*
Lando G9 7*
IG-88 G8 6*
Greedo G8 6*

Honestly, Rex/Sun Fac teams are much harder to beat.

My arena power is only 31k and I can take Wiggs teams 36-41k power.

They can't be that OP if my under geared, under starred team can beat them.

It is the speed that is the issue, not their kits themselves.

I plan to max Zam and add her to my arena team. I'm confident I can get her faster than 90% of Wiggs teams and beat them easily again.

Until them, it's tough though.

I will also be working on my Empire game now that I have the Emperor.

Mods (particularly speed secondaries) continue to be the meta, not Wiggs.

It is just easier with them because of all you need is a fast Biggs to be competitive.

Wiggs is already gone. General Kenobi makes that duo totally useless

I just started playing couple of months ago. And yeah I've had my problems with Wiggs combo and thinking about crying for a nerf etc. But after few moments of thinking I've come to conclusion that it's not these two chars (accompanied with others) that's the problem. In my opinion bigger problem with the game is that other comboes that are accessible are this well thought out.. I mean they have synergy with each other that happens to boost lot of other combos.

I mean the uniques, special abilities etc. If something like this would be coded for other older characters it would open up a LOT more possibilities for people to grind for groups that they want to play and NOT what they are forced to play. For example QGJ zeta lead ability, almost overnight made Jedis viable (and with some combos OP based on forums), how about giving QGJ lead ability part of the Zeta as normal/omega ability and add the final touch with Zeta. Again would give people who want to play Jedis ability to be competitive while leveling without locking final behind Zetas. This is just one example (altho I'm one of the Jedi fanboys) to point out that instead of nerfing any chars a lot of older chars should be recoded to give more options for team build up and thus putting meta to shelf since it's up to player to combine their team that they want to play (to some extent, there can never be full balance so there's always going to be a meta, but to lesser extent)

/me

In case of newer players is even worse. I joined starting 1 December 2016 and in my Arena only 5 (including me) of the top 60 players don't have this combination + Lando of course. I'm sorry i can't take a screen shot is really surreal. The problem is at this level there really isn't any other viable choice, especially for playes that joined to late for shore trooper or emperor tournaments (funny enough the only new players that could take him are the ones that don't really use him or, you know, actually need him). People are talking droid teams, Rex or other options, well guess what nobody has them, especially since many ios players could take Wedge ( a real game changer at least at this level )for free early on. Really I am curious, have the devs really looked at the arena tables to see what shit have they created, or was their goal from the start to have a game with hundreds of possible toons, combinations and strategies that is only played with only a handful of toons and only one single strategy.
Also as a new player i would like to ask them what is the motivation for any new player to use a dark team, especially an empire team, especially with the release of the potentially even more OP and anti-empire Baze and Chirrut. I mean really since ST is PVP and the emperor will be accessible in the next tournament (probably after 6 months) why would anybody use a dark team (of course like I said looking at the ranks virtually nobody really does, at least at my level). And even after the next emperor tournament, after so many months building their light team, who would switch to a dark team just because they took the emperor.
I don't know if this was intentional or not, but in my opinion, for new players the arena part of the the game is broken. Same old, same old, same old and same fking old.
O and for the Wiggs fanboys that are gone come and say that that Op shit is not really Op and that are plenty of ways to defeat it, well at lower levels one look at any rank table will prove that just DOESN'T happen. I don't know, maybe i'm just an whiner because i don't want to play a game in which. i repeat more than 80-90 % players use the same combination { the one not Op and apparently easy to beat or even beatable wink wink).

"Cardiff0;826947" wrote:
@Ky10Ren wait til you see some harder combinations where you can't touch them, and their OPness is still very much on display.

You can protect anyone, it comes down to the fact that their dps is monstrous, and I would say Biggs' unique is a cherry on top, but it's just so huge, it's an insane ability for anyone to have, it's like having two biggs in there. It instantly reloads the most OP attack. For anyone to have that unique, they'd have to have a kinda bad/niche kit, to balance the fact they will go the whole time. Let alone the most OP attack you'll find

Daze isn't really a factor right now. There's no way to daze him early, if at all right now, and if in the right setup, even if you could daze him early, current teams cleanse and taunt too much for it to matter.

They are just pure but

If by harder combinations you are referring to an auto taunter with wiggs behind it, my arena shard has some of those. I can still beat them. It is simply a matter of applying buff immunity or shock to enemy shore/Baze, and delaying enemy abilities (lando Aoe mainly) with palp Aoe stun. My shore is able to take the initial punishment, so it simply becomes a waiting game for the enemy auto taunter to take a turn, so that their taunt goes down, and they can't get it back due to buff immunity. Of course my Shore will get to taunt again if he is still alive, as Rebel squads on my shard have no way to inflict buff immunity, with the exception of the odd 1 or 2 guys using palp with rebels. Then I focus wedge/lando, shock and then kill Biggs, and it's over.

B2 is next on my farm/gear list once I get my Vader up to g10 (he's g9 now), so he will be able to counter any nasty Rex or double tank tactics that my enemies might resort to in the future. B2 will also be able to save me from the number one reason I lose sometimes: the enemy getting lucky and wiggs calling StHan to assist, which usually results in him getting taunt up before my TFP goes, which screws me over pretty hard as empire isn't exactly known for damage and quick tank kills. B2 will just dispell that taunt, done and dusted. He will also be nice against chaze if it shows up in my shard.

With the correct counters to said strong combinations that Wiggs can be put behind... well the enemy wiggs may as well be mob enforcer and CUP at that point, as that's how useless they become when their cover is countered.