To everyone complaining about the Barriss "nerf"...

"Carth_Onassi1973;856296" wrote:

"DatBoi;88043" wrote:
If you're thinking that fixing the bug with Barriss is a nerf, then let me let you in on a secret: now she has a soft taunt. Before the fix, you could leave her for last while she bats at you with a wet noodle. Now you have to take her out first so the rest of the team doesn't have the health bonus. If you have her, you can protect her with tanks and hammer the other team with DPS while the other team is forced to go after your high health toons.

Exactly..

And is this the same Dat who was in Force United?

Force United?

"Asic;856124" wrote:
Well it is a "nerf". Bariss nerf 3.0 in fact. Read before flaming....

Nerf 1- November 2015 because her heal was too strong.

Nerf 2- protection intro making her a lame duck

Nerf 3-now- her unique said nothing of before or after death and many uniques survive death. Any case who cares- a toon that hits 3k damage at max with crit is still viable at nerf 3.0.

It was nice that they are refunding the Zeta for those that used it on her and she deserves it again anyway.

Which uniques survive death?

(I dont want to go reading theough them)

"DatBoi;856417" wrote:

"Asic;856124" wrote:
Well it is a "nerf". Bariss nerf 3.0 in fact. Read before flaming....

Nerf 1- November 2015 because her heal was too strong.

Nerf 2- protection intro making her a lame duck

Nerf 3-now- her unique said nothing of before or after death and many uniques survive death. Any case who cares- a toon that hits 3k damage at max with crit is still viable at nerf 3.0.

It was nice that they are refunding the Zeta for those that used it on her and she deserves it again anyway.

Which uniques survive death?

(I dont want to go reading theough them)

A bunch of them do, and honestly a bunch of them don't. Wedge's unique that gets applied to Biggs survives after Wedge dies. Snowtrooper, however, stops granting extra TM to Empire allies after he's been killed. Neither of them say anything about ending or lasting through death. Chirrut and Baze's last through death (except the part where it explicitly says "if chirrut is alive") theres more.

Luke managed to knock out the Death Star even after all the other Rebel Assisters died in combat. He used the Force, which IMO all these toons are, too. Ain't a one of y'all complaining about him!

"Josh_K;856415" wrote:

"scuba;856376" wrote:

"Parableman;856315" wrote:
Much easier response to this. Anyone who thinks a bug fix is a nerf. Just needs to learn the proper language to describe things, because they're not the same. If it's WAI and then they change it, it's a nerf. If it wasn't intended that way, then fixing it is called a bug fix, not a nerf, and it's dishonest to call it a nerf.

IMO a bug fix would not have had a change to the description of an ability. If the description is changed to match a "bug fix" that is a nerf.

My definition of a bug is behaviour that is not as per design. Barriss could have been designed with death ending her heal effect. The bug in this case would have been twofold.

The implementation of the design did not include the "ends on death" portion

The text also did not reflect the design intent explicitly. Daka's unique revive does not explicitly state that it ends on death. Yet it does. That would be an example of a text bug.


From the official response, #1 is true. It would seem very coincidental that #2 would also have resulted but that is entirely possible.

Daka unique states she revives them which she can not do if she is dead.

Other team affecting Uniques that came before bariss zeta specifically had the words to indicate they stop on death. Gk crit immunity didn't and that was a bug that was fixed.

By "correcting" barris zeta description to match both the intention and the fix does this mean we can assume all Uniques continue after death unless stated otherwise in the ability? IMO changing Barriss description reinforces the intention that all Uniques persist after death unless stated otherwise.

If so chirrut is bugged. His unique does not state that hot gained on a crit stops with his death, yet it does. It is actually worded very similar to barris prior to today's fix.

The purpose of an ability description is to provide the intentions of how they were designed to work. As a player we can only go with what history shows which has been uniques continue unless indicated otherwise. We shouldn't have to play the guessing game as to the intentions of the designers.

So yeah bariss was changed but the over all status of unique abilities that affect the team is still very much up in the air with no response as to how they should be working.

It really doesn't matter if this was a bug fix or a nerf just please make it consistent!

We got a fix/NERF and a refund. Not sure what is there to complain about?

"Fitz;856451" wrote:
We got a fix/NERF and a refund. Not sure what is there to complain about?

Just want the answer to the question...Do uniques persist after death unless stated otherwise in the ability? Still too inconsistent.

It's not a nerf in any way. Uniques aren't supposed to work once a character has died. That's why they're called unique abilities. Leader abilities are there to affect the whole squad throughout the entire match. But having a unique ability that's actually a leader ability in disguise? That's a bug.

"benacrow;856459" wrote:
It's not a nerf in any way. Uniques aren't supposed to work once a character has died. That's why they're called unique abilities. Leader abilities are there to affect the whole squad throughout the entire match. But having a unique ability that's actually a leader ability in disguise? That's a bug.

That's a terrible argument. A Leader ability would be just as suited to end in death. If you're in a battle and your leader dies, the next team leader takes over. That's how it should be.

"SnakesOnAPlane;856461" wrote:

"benacrow;856459" wrote:
It's not a nerf in any way. Uniques aren't supposed to work once a character has died. That's why they're called unique abilities. Leader abilities are there to affect the whole squad throughout the entire match. But having a unique ability that's actually a leader ability in disguise? That's a bug.

That's a terrible argument. A Leader ability would be just as suited to end in death. If you're in a battle and your leader dies, the next team leader takes over. That's how it should be.

It's been said many times that this game is not at all like what battles 'should' be. Why is B2 destroying jedi in this game when 1 Jedi can kill 100s of droids?

Why call them leader abilities in this game (which is designed to work for the whole team regardless of the leaders health) if toons can just have unique abilities that persist in the same way.